Antifa is "just an idea."

Biden said so...

^^Sharing ideas can sometimes have consequences; have they not learned that?

Good thing this isn't happening east of the Cascades.

We in Rural Oregon will take the law into our own hands to protect property, livestock, and human life.

We should be wary of the "use of the leftist protesters" to justify a response to use against us, the law abiding citizens. This eating of their own may be purposeful and of their own making.

-TVz

I predict Antifa will be quickly labeled a "Trumpist" and so terrorist organization soon and they will be gone, along with the history that Trump originally tried to mark them as terrorists.

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I predict Antifa will be quickly labeled a "Trumpist" and so terrorist organization soon and they will be gone, along with the history that Trump originally tried to mark them as terrorists.

That's already started. I think it was the TimIRL podcast where they said some "journalists" are saying the this is Trump protesters dressed as ANTIFA.

Q: Why does the Left suppress “Free Speech”.
A: Because “Free Speech” is DISSENT, and Dissent is not permitted in Socialist “Utopia”.


https://townhall.com/columnist...free-speech-n2583317

Why the Left Has To Suppress Free Speech
Dennis Prager

The opinions expressed by columnists are their own and do not necessarily represent the views of Townhall.com.

Why the Left Has To Suppress Free Speech

Let us begin with this fact: The left always suppresses speech. Since Vladimir Lenin and the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia in 1917, there has been no example of the left in control and not crushing dissent.

That is one of the important differences between liberal and left: Liberalism and liberals believe in free speech. (The present leftist threat to freedom in America, the greatest threat to freedom in American history, is made possible because liberals think they have more to fear from conservatives than from the left. Liberals do not understand that the left regards liberals as their useful idiots.)

The left controls universities. There is little or no dissent allowed at universities.

The left controls nearly every "news" medium. There is little or no dissent in the mainstream media -- not in the "news" sections and not in the opinion sections.

The left controls Hollywood. No dissent is allowed in Hollywood.

That is why we have "cancel culture" -- the silencing and firing of anyone who publicly dissents from the left, and even "publicly" is no longer necessary. The National Association of Realtors has just announced that if you express dissenting views (on race, especially) in private, you may be fined and lose your membership in the organization -- which effectively ends your career as a realtor.

So, we return to the opening question: Why does the left need to crush all dissent? This is a question made all the more stark because there is no parallel on the right: Conservatives do not shut down dissent or debate.

The answer, though the left will not acknowledge it, is the left fears dissent. And they do so for good reason. Leftism is essentially a giant balloon filled with nothing but hot air. Therefore, no matter how big the balloon -- the Democratic Party, The New York Times, Yale University -- all it takes is a mere pin to burst it.

Leftism is venerated by intellectuals. But there is little intellectual substance to leftism. It is a combination of doctrine and emotion. The proof? Those with intellectual depth do not stifle dissent; they welcome it.

That is why universities are so opposed to conservatives coming to speak on campus. One articulate conservative can undo years of left-wing indoctrination in a one-hour talk or Q and A. I know this from personal experience on campuses. You can, too. Watch the speeches given by any conservatives allowed to speak on a campus -- many of these talks are still on YouTube -- and you will see large halls filled with students yearning to hear something other than left-wing pablum. Look at their faces, filled with rapt attention to ideas they never heard that are clearly having an impact. Universities are entirely right to fear our coming to speak. We come with the pin that bursts their $50,000-a-year balloon.

That is also why it is so hard to get any of them to debate any of us. In 35 years of radio, I have never mistreated or bullied a guest. I was unfailingly polite to an icon of the left, Howard Zinn, the America-hating author of the America-hating "A People's History of the United States." I even invited a UCLA political science professor and violinist, one of seven members of the Santa Monica Symphony Orchestra who refused to play when I conducted the orchestra in a Joseph Haydn symphony in the Disney Concert Hall -- solely because I'm a conservative. Despite his public letter, in which he accused me of holding "horribly bigoted positions" and wrote, "Please urge your friends to not attend this concert, which helps normalize bigotry in our community," I nevertheless invited him on my national radio show. He agreed. I had him in studio for an entire hour and treated him and his wife (who accompanied him) with great respect, despite my contempt for his false accusations and his advocacy of the cancel culture. Every American should hear that hour.

Unfortunately for the emotional and intellectual health of our society, he, Zinn and a few others were anomalies. Of the 100 or so left-wing authors, professors and columnists invited to appear on my show, almost none has responded in the affirmative. They prefer NPR, where they are never challenged.

The opposite, however, is not true: Every conservative intellectual I know says yes to every one of the (very few) left-wing invitations we receive. Of course, we are almost never invited. We regularly invite leftists. Leftists almost never invite us. They claim it's because we are not up to their intellectual level and they have no desire to waste their time. One would think that the opportunity to publicly show how vapid we conservatives really are would be too good to pass up.

Leftists do not debate us or appear as guests on our shows and prevent us from speaking whenever possible, because they (correctly) fear conservatives. Race-baiters such as Ibram X. Kendi or Ta-Nehisi Coates or "White Fragility" author Robin DiAngelo would never debate Larry Elder, for example. Why won't they? Because they would be shown to be the intellectually shallow purveyors of hate they are. Deep down, they know it. Larry Elder is one of many conservative black intellectuals who left-wing blacks (and whites) refuse to debate.

Now you know why the left suppresses free speech: because they have to. If there is free speech, there is dissent. And if there is dissent, there is no more left.

Dennis Prager is a nationally syndicated radio talk-show host and columnist. His latest book, published by Regnery in May 2019, is "The Rational Bible," a commentary on the book of Genesis. His film, "No Safe Spaces," was released to home entertainment nationwide on September 15, 2020. He is the founder of Prager University and may be contacted at dennisprager.com.

^^^^^^

This is an excellent article and worth a read. So simple and so right.

Jim

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Originally posted by DoctorSolo:
I predict Antifa will be quickly labeled a "Trumpist" and so terrorist organization soon and they will be gone, along with the history that Trump originally tried to mark them as terrorists.

The talking heads and fools at the networks will 'attempt' to make such a connection, looking befuddled and confused, attempt to articulate to their audiences that 'Biden is the good guy here...those protestors MUST BE Trumpers'

We've all known that antifa-types hate, absolutely hate, democracy and all its tenants; America in their mind needs to be abolished. The Dems played with fire by giving them tactic approval, applauding efforts to post bail via SJW funds and pro-bono legal assistance; they viewed them as useful to the cause, a justifiable means to the ends.

We'll see how the next 12-months go... All the insurrection and sedition laws that the Dems want to pass as a response to the Jan 6 Capitol mess, will eventually bite them in the ass.

Am I the only one that sees similarities to pre-WWII Germany: KPD vs SPD vs. National Socialists, then KPD + National Socialists vs SPD and then National Socialists vs KPD; and we're the "inferiors"?

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Am I the only one that sees similarities to pre-WWII Germany: KPD vs SPD vs. National Socialists, then KPD + National Socialists vs SPD and then National Socialists vs KPD; and we're the "inferiors"?

Nope, I see it. It is quite horrific when you can look at a massively bad time in history and see much of the same shit happening over. I sent the Wikipedia page on what happened to the Jews during the 1930's to a cousin and asked him to look it over. The similarities are haunting.

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No, you are not.

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Am I the only one that sees similarities to pre-WWII Germany: KPD vs SPD vs. National Socialists, then KPD + National Socialists vs SPD and then National Socialists vs KPD; and we're the "inferiors"?

I think the real difference lies in the fact there are so many who will not lay down willingly like so many of the Nazi's victims did, if that time ever comes here.

Pick up "In the Garden of Beasts" by Erik Larson if you want to gain more insight into Pre WWII Germany and the power plays and maneuvering for supremacy. The book is written through the eyes of William Dodd, US Ambassador to Germany.

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Originally posted by lkdr1989:
Am I the only one that sees similarities to pre-WWII Germany: KPD vs SPD vs. National Socialists, then KPD + National Socialists vs SPD and then National Socialists vs KPD; and we're the "inferiors"?

I think the real difference lies in the fact there are so many who will not lay down willingly like so many of the Nazi's victims did, if that time ever comes here.

I don't know, they were indoctrinated from birth, reprogrammed as adults. I could definitely see it happening

As I reflect, this is all Mao Cultural Revolution, since as far back as Obama, when BLM for instance started. I look at the Democrats in power no longer as Bolsheviks in the Lenin sense, but as Maoists in the Mao sense.

The closest thing the republican side had in this actual fight in the streets were the proud boys I guess. The republicans have no SA or SS. The democrats mobilized useful idiots like BLM and ANTIFA.

With Antifa getting nuked from Twitter for the Seattle and Portland antics, I wonder if Antifa is about to be exiled to the farms, and have their city living permits revoked?

With critical theory about to go live again, and perhaps worse, aspects of the cultural revolution of Mao are still in queue for us.

Last night Seattle had yet another flag burning, spray painting, vandalizing, widow breaking protest. However, police made arrests and the mayor met with small business owners.
You see, this time they smashed the original Starbucks! In reality they hit the main tourist area. Pike Place Market is normally fill with tourists year rounds. To have a protest there threatens revenue. Worse, Seattle takes its coffee seriously. The original Starbucks is always mobbed, and a “must see” visit. The protestors may have overstepped.

Having spent the equivalent of a couple years in country in China over the past decade, I see the similarities.

I've watched the CCTV news and seen how the propaganda is disseminated. The only western news is CNN International and BBC and both are anti-Patriot. CNN gets blacked out whenever they show or say something the Chinese government doesn't like. The internet is filtered and blocked. No social media other than Chinese gov't approved ones, that are monitored and censored. The trolls that remind everyone that freedom is not being free, that free speech is dangerous and irresponsible, that individuals are less than the collective, that Americans are "selfish" about their individual rights.

No one I know with education really believes it all, they know it's propaganda and lies, but it does get under their skin and affect how they think. And they dare not say much where the gov't might hear them.

Mao destroyed the traditional religions, the history, the great men of the past. He attacked China's rich history and culture. His central management made disastrous mistakes and caused massive overpopulation and then famine that killed tens of millions. Yet he is revered as the savior, his image is everywhere, and on the currency. Tiananmen Square never happened according to the history books. And those that lived near it (rich people) insist the protestors were violent and killed soldiers before the tanks rolled over them.

There is a huge wealth and income gap between the common people and the rich who benefit from being party insiders and getting favored dealings from the government. The rich flaunt it and make the commoners wish only to be rich as well.

China has shown you can have a one party government, crush all dissent, but still have a thriving economy, or one that appears to be so until the house of cards comes crashing down.

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Last night Seattle had yet another flag burning, spray painting, vandalizing, widow breaking protest. However, police made arrests and the mayor met with small business owners.
You see, this time they smashed the original Starbucks! In reality they hit the main tourist area. Pike Place Market is normally fill with tourists year rounds. To have a protest there threatens revenue. Worse, Seattle takes its coffee seriously. The original Starbucks is always mobbed, and a “must see” visit. The protestors may have overstepped.

Now that they served their purpose and Biden is in office, I expect law enforcement to finally be allowed to take care of the problem. They are a liability if they talk and say who funded them, so better to clamp down and discredit them fast.

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Originally posted by Icabod:
Last night Seattle had yet another flag burning, spray painting, vandalizing, widow breaking protest. However, police made arrests and the mayor met with small business owners.
You see, this time they smashed the original Starbucks! In reality they hit the main tourist area. Pike Place Market is normally fill with tourists year rounds. To have a protest there threatens revenue. Worse, Seattle takes its coffee seriously. The original Starbucks is always mobbed, and a “must see” visit. The protestors may have overstepped.

Now that they served their purpose and Biden is in office, I expect law enforcement to finally be allowed to take care of the problem. They are a liability if they talk and say who funded them, so better to clamp down and discredit them fast.

This is exactly what I was thinking. The governors can’t have unrest now that the democrats won.