President Trump goes all Milton Waddams on hysterical reporter.

Reporter: PEOPLE ARE PROTESTING IN THE STREETS!! WHAT IS YOUR MESSAGE TO THEM?!!

President Trump: ...but then, they switched from the Swingline to the Boston stapler, but I kept my Swingline stapler because it didn't bind up as much, and I kept the staples for the Swingline stapler...

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Originally posted by sigfreund:
Some time (years) ago, I read a comment here that the police don’t prevent crimes, they merely respond to complaints and take reports to satisfy the insurance claims.

The comment was not challenged or otherwise remarked upon at the time and I don’t take notes about people who say stupid things here so I can point them out later. I remember it clearly, though, and wonder now if he still believes that the police have no effect on preventing crime as we’re seeing the effects of some jurisdictions trying to turn themselves into third world cesspits by prohibiting traditional police activities.

You’re looking at the big picture, while that was a “little picture” comment. With respect to an individual crime taking place, rarely does an officer of having the good fortune to be there and have the opportunity to stop it. I have to imagine that in the rare cases when that happens, it makes the officer’s week, of not his month or year. So looking at the comment with a little picture lens, I’d say it isn’t wrong.
However, looking at it with a big picture lens, even if the police are not there to stop this crime, when they track down, arrest and work with the DA to convict and imprison the dirtbag that committed this crime, they prevent at least some other crimes he would have committed. Beyond that, while few criminals are geniuses, they aren’t all totally stupid either. A potential criminal living an area that is well policed and where criminal are quickly hammered by the justice system may decide to either find other employment or move to areas that are less hostile toward crime.

As a side note, it is clear that the stupidity in areas like Seattle, Portland, Kenosha, and others encourages crime. Even if the police are not handcuffed and are allowed to aggressively deal with problems, if the DA plays catch and release that totally undermines the efforts of law enforcement.

This stupidity is not limited to DAs and mayors bought and paid for by Soros and others of his ilk. In 2014, the drooling morons that make up a majority of the voters in my home state approved Proposition 47 which changed many “non-violent” crimes from felonies to misdemeanors, primarily property crimes and drug offenses. This spawn gangs of up to thirty thieves going in, checking price tags, and stealing not more than $950 worth of merchandise each. One “frequent flyer” in LA did a video where he talked about how it was a license to steal. When the thief’s court case comes up he has a choice between go8ng to jail for a nominal amount of time or participating in a “theft reduction education” (or whatever they called it) program. The best part? There’s no teeth in the program. The thief can say he’s going to do, never show up, and face no consequences. At the time of the video, he had been arrested for thieving *thirteen* times in that month. A Commander at the local Sheriff’s Office shared his comments from a meeting with the home owners of a large gated community, “Yes, there is a huge crime wave of people breaking into any cars left out overnight in your neighborhood and we sure are sorry about that. Did you happen to vote for Propositin 47? If you did, you handcuffed us. Now, if we actually catch the person breaking into your car, all we can do is basically write them a ticket. If we did arrest them and take them to the jail, they’d be released immediately and be back here before we could finish the paperwork and get back.” “Oh dear.”

Sigh... Leftism is absolutely a mental disorder.

ETA: We made a family trip to Chile a few years ago. One of the things we took in was the changing of the guard of the “Prevention Police” at the Plaza de Armas in some reasonably large city (Probably Santiago, but I’m not sure, we toured around a bit.) There were over 100 foot patrol beat cops, most with revolvers*, almost all with their firearms on lanyards attached to their belts going off shift and the same number going on. Walking around the city, it was very rare to be on any block and not be able to look around and see one of the PP walking his beat. It is a very different approach to policing and I can’t imagine that the US populace would be willing to tolerate it, much less pay for it.

*When I asked one of the officers why some had semiauto pistols but most had revolvers, he shared that it is a big deal to qualify with a semiauto there so most only have revolvers. Not a hint of a long gun in this group, but they have an entirely different group of police that investigate crimes and chase down criminals similar to our police. Their “Prevention Police” are a whole ‘nother thing.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
Why hasn't he been charged with attempted murder?

"A suspect accused in shooting two Louisville police officers during protests Wednesday evening has also been identified. Larynzo Johnson, 26, has been charged with wanton endangerment and assault of a police officer. He will be arraigned Friday."

https://www.foxnews.com/us/lou...cer-shooting-suspect

That should be attempted CAPITAL murder

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Originally posted by sigfreund:
Some time (years) ago, I read a comment here that the police don’t prevent crimes, they merely respond to complaints and take reports to satisfy the insurance claims.

The comment was not challenged or otherwise remarked upon at the time and I don’t take notes about people who say stupid things here so I can point them out later. I remember it clearly, though, and wonder now if he still believes that the police have no effect on preventing crime as we’re seeing the effects of some jurisdictions trying to turn themselves into third world cesspits by prohibiting traditional police activities.

I've sometimes seen folks who make comments like that taking the decisions of courts and even the Supreme Court in various cases out of context.

The Courts have repeatedly ruled that the police do not have an affirmative duty to protect every citizens from every crime, and the police can't be held legally responsible for failing to prevent/stop that specific crime (absent special circumstances).

The Courts recognize that in the real world, the police can't realistically be everywhere at every time, and they cannot realistically provide 1:1 police protection for every citizen at all times to prevent them from ever becoming crime victims. These rulings then shut down lawsuits trying to use the argument of "This is the cops' fault because they weren't around to stop that criminal".

But this doesn't mean that police don't do what they can to stop/prevent crime. It's just that they're not legally liable if they cannot, and their duty then becomes to find and arrest the criminal.

However, some folks see that and say "Ok, so the Supreme Court says that police don't prevent crime. Got it."

Video in the link has Sheriff Grady Judd from Polk County in FL teaching reporters about riots, with Gov. DeSantis in the background

https://streamable.com/uq784n

As Victor Davis Hanson has so correctly pointed out, the coming election constitutes a Manichean choice.

Listen to this ridiculous, addled old bag pour gasoline on the fire.



Just as with Ginsburg, the day this idiotic old bitch dies, I'll dance in the street.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
As Victor Davis Hanson has so correctly pointed out, the coming election constitutes a Manichean choice.

Listen to this ridiculous, addled old bag pour gasoline on the fire.

Just as with Ginsburg, the day this idiotic old bitch dies, I'll dance in the street.

In one breath she states clearly that Breona Taylor was "murdered by the police", and in the next breath she talks about her respect for the police. The hypocrisy here is just off the charts with this alcohol soaked moron. I so hope they lose huge in November, as they'll have no one to blame but themselves. Win or lose, Pelosi's daya as speaker are over.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
As Victor Davis Hanson has so correctly pointed out, the coming election constitutes a Manichean choice.

And here is McConnell's take.

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Originally posted by oddball:
Video in the link has Sheriff Grady Judd from Polk County in FL teaching reporters about riots, with Gov. DeSantis in the background

https://streamable.com/uq784n

Between the Governor and Sheriff Judd, Florida is becoming more attractive each day. I heard the Governor yesterday on Mark Levin's show and it's refreshing and unusual to see a politician other than PRESIDENT Trump with his head screwed on right. Sheriff Judd of course is a law enforcement treasure.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
Why hasn't he been charged with attempted murder?

"A suspect accused in shooting two Louisville police officers during protests Wednesday evening has also been identified. Larynzo Johnson, 26, has been charged with wanton endangerment and assault of a police officer. He will be arraigned Friday."

https://www.foxnews.com/us/lou...cer-shooting-suspect

Because in Kentucky for sentencing purposes attempted murder IS NOT considered a violent crime.
An assault or wanton endangerment charge will net you more jail time if you are convicted and given jail time.
Been at this a long time and never have understood it.

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Originally posted by Black92LX:
Because in Kentucky for sentencing purposes attempted murder IS NOT considered a violent crime.

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Originally posted by TigerDore:

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Originally posted by MikeinNC:
Where can I point someone to go read the warrant application and reports?...

This may be of help.

https://www.yumpu.com/en/docum...or-summary-redacted1



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This is a helpful summary, but it is unclear how/under what circumstances it was prepared. I also have been looking for the underlying source documents to help persuade others who are focused on media accounts. Are the official documents available anywhere (redacted or not)?

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:

quote:

Originally posted by sigfreund:
Some time (years) ago, I read a comment here that the police don’t prevent crimes, they merely respond to complaints and take reports to satisfy the insurance claims.

The comment was not challenged or otherwise remarked upon at the time and I don’t take notes about people who say stupid things here so I can point them out later. I remember it clearly, though, and wonder now if he still believes that the police have no effect on preventing crime as we’re seeing the effects of some jurisdictions trying to turn themselves into third world cesspits by prohibiting traditional police activities.

I've sometimes seen folks who make comments like that taking the decisions of courts and even the Supreme Court in various cases out of context.

The Courts have repeatedly ruled that the police do not have an affirmative duty to protect every citizens from every crime, and the police can't be held legally responsible for failing to prevent/stop that specific crime (absent special circumstances).

The Courts recognize that in the real world, the police can't realistically be everywhere at every time, and they cannot realistically provide 1:1 police protection for every citizen at all times to prevent them from ever becoming crime victims. These rulings then shut down lawsuits trying to use the argument of "This is the cops' fault because they weren't around to stop that criminal".

But this doesn't mean that police don't do what they can to stop/prevent crime. It's just that they're not legally liable if they cannot, and their duty then becomes to find and arrest the criminal.

However, some folks see that and say "Ok, so the Supreme Court says that police don't prevent crime. Got it."

Police absolutely can, and do prevent crime, but their ability to do so depends largely upon where they are, staffing, and leadership.

There is a direct correlation between the amount of unencumbered time a patrol officer has during his shift to do proactive policing, or to participate in targeted enforcement operations, and crime prevention. If staffing is short and officers are running from radio call to radio call with no unencumbered time, they find themselves in a strictly reactive policing mode and are preventing very little. Taking a criminal off the street for a period will reduce his opportunity to commit additional crimes, so the investigation into "whodunit?" is a key piece to crime prevention.

When staffing is adequate and departments have the ability and leadership to conduct targeted enforcement and community involvement activities, crime rates can be significantly impacted. (Although I often suspected we were just dislocating crime out of our area into other jurisdictions rather than preventing it). Community involvement is important because the community will often tell you "whodunit" if they know YOU (rather than the side of your patrol car as you speed by). Successful crime prevention efforts must be driven and supported by leadership. Our experience told us that our officers needed 20% of their shift unencumbered in which to conduct such activities. That, of course, is a matter of funding provided by your elected officials. Funding also directly impacts recruitment, selection, training, and discipline. And then there is the policy of your elected prosecutor at the terminal end of the policing process. As I have said many times before, every community gets precisely the level of police service that they deserve. The crime prevention buck stops with your elected officials.

Here's a live feed of Louisville tonight. Fairly tame but the cops are putting up with verbal abuse.

When watching the videos of these riots, does anyone else think of the "scoops" from Soylent Green?
https://www.google.com/search?...imgrc=snLjZKXaG9LuHM

An Israeli Armored Cat D9 would be an effective anti riot vehicle, too.

Do they come with rubber treads?
I'd hate to scar up the pavement.

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Originally posted by YooperSigs:
An Israeli Armored Cat D9 would be an effective anti riot vehicle, too.

why not some 84 mm Carl Gustavs with Area Defence Munitions?