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Originally posted by CPD SIG:

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Originally posted by recoatlift:
I guess you sort of get used to it and don’t think about it when you’re driving. I bail out @ 111th or 119th.

Did you live out this way?


I drove the Ryan every day for years. Between home & 51st st, 31st St, and when I was assigned downtown. My ride has been hampered more than once due to an expressway shooting.

Where was home if I can ask? I grew up in the area.

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Originally posted by Jimmo952:

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Originally posted by CPD SIG:

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Originally posted by recoatlift:
I guess you sort of get used to it and don’t think about it when you’re driving. I bail out @ 111th or 119th.

Did you live out this way?


I drove the Ryan every day for years. Between home & 51st st, 31st St, and when I was assigned downtown. My ride has been hampered more than once due to an expressway shooting.

Where was home if I can ask? I grew up in the area.

No “was”.
Still am! For about another 2 years, then outta here to a “free state”!

Grew up in Riverdale, Calumet City, then had to move back into the city.
107 and Talman area, now at 111th & Central Park- Mt Greenwood.

Just so I understand correctly, rein-hole, or whatever his name is, claims he shot the Patriot Prayer guy in self defense, because he was armed with a knife..........while rein-hole was out rioting in response to Kenosha PD shooting a rapist.......armed with a knife? I’m shocked that the “journalist” who interviewed him didn’t clarify that!

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Originally posted by CPD SIG:

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Originally posted by Jimmo952:

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Originally posted by CPD SIG:

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Originally posted by recoatlift:
I guess you sort of get used to it and don’t think about it when you’re driving. I bail out @ 111th or 119th.

Did you live out this way?


I drove the Ryan every day for years. Between home & 51st st, 31st St, and when I was assigned downtown. My ride has been hampered more than once due to an expressway shooting.

Where was home if I can ask? I grew up in the area.

No “was”.
Still am! For about another 2 years, then outta here to a “free state”!

Grew up in Riverdale, Calumet City, then had to move back into the city.
107 and Talman area, now at 111th & Central Park- Mt Greenwood.

I grew up in Posen. Little town tucked in between Harvey, Dixmore, Robbins and Blue Island. It was not all bad. Drove the Dan Ryan quite a bit once I started working downtown. Ended moving into the Jefferson Park area of Chicago for awhile.

A lot of my extended family lived clustered around Archer Ave though. Some still do though the younger generation is voting with their feet and getting the heck out.

Stay safe. What you do is still greatly appreciated by the average citizen.

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Originally posted by CPD SIG:

Grew up in Riverdale, Calumet City, then had to move back into the city.
107 and Talman area, now at 111th & Central Park- Mt Greenwood.

Small world.

I grew up in Dolton - 142nd & Woodlawn.

Cicero back when it was predominantly Lithuanian.

Schlichter: Why Trump Doesn’t Just 'Send In the Troops'

There are a lot of solid conservatives frustrated and appalled by the Biden Riots, and a lot of those folks wonder why Donald Trump doesn’t just make it all stop – you know, sort of like Grandpa Badfinger implicitly promises he will do if we restore the garbage liberal establishment, except with military force. “Call up the Guard,” right? But what folks do not understand are the practical problems with Trump using troops (sending federal law enforcement officers presents similar problems, but also a unique and big one – there just aren’t as many federal cops as there are soldiers). The devil is in the details, and the devil here makes Trump pulling the trigger on the troops in the current situation a very bad idea. We should support his strategic patience and not do what the Democrats want by getting mad at the president for refusing to stumble into an ambush.

Let me share some background. After I got off active duty the first time, I joined the California Army National Guard. For the next 23 years I participated in, planned, and commanded during multiple civilian support operations. I was in the Los Angeles Riots, the Northridge Earthquake, and I commanded two battalions along with other forces in northern San Diego County during the 2007 fires. I planned ops from platoon to state headquarters level, and wrote about civil support ops in Infantry magazine and even in a first-of-its-kind law review article. So, I know a little about this stuff.

And what I know tells me that, despite our fantastic soldiers’ abilities, this is a bad idea.

But why? Let’s address the donkey in the room – Democrat governors, mayors and district attorneys do not want military forces deployed and will at least refuse to cooperate with them, if not actively hinder them. That makes a blue city like Portland a “non-permissive environment,” and the military is certainly designed to operate in them. That’s why when the military moves in force with, say, an infantry brigade combat team (IBCT) of 5,000 soldiers plus support elements (thousands more), we essentially deploy a small town with everything we need to survive – food, fuel, ammo, medical, maintenance, commo, power, transportation, even lawyers. Typically, in cities engulfed in chaos, it’s a permissive environment. The cops work with us. They take custody of arrestees, hold them, and the DA prosecutes them. Hospitals take in our wounded and sick. We use local government property to operate out of. We have access to the infrastructure of society. But what if the Democrat regime refuses to allow all that? Then the troops are on their own; it’s now an invasion, and while doable logistically, it takes a massive footprint.

A permissive environment solves some, but not all of the issues we will review. A non-permissive environment makes the whole thing exponentially worse.

First, let’s think through the force package. Who do we send, and under what rules?

We keep hearing about the National Guard, but few understand it. The Guard is a reserve force trained and equipped just like active duty troops and containing a large number of active duty veterans (I joined after serving in Desert Storm). It works for the state governor – the Democrat who hates Trump – unless it is “federalized,” in which case it becomes an active duty unit and Trump is its commander-in-chief. Now, federal troops are barred from enforcing civilian law by the Posse Comitatus Act, unless the president invokes the Insurrection Act. On state status, Posse Comitatus does not apply and Guard forces are not prohibited by federal law from enforcing civilian law.

Got it? Seems complicated, huh? Yeah, because it’s a giant cluster fark that only gets more farked as we dive in to the details of implementing the idea of sending in soldiers.

Oregon has the 41st IBCT. It has five “maneuver battalions," the ~500-soldier or so sub-units that would actually be on the street (well, maybe two-thirds tops of those units’ personnel would actually be on the street with guns. All the rest are support, as are the IBCT’s other units). Only three battalions are actually in Oregon, and one of those is an artillery unit. The rest are in other states. What is the readiness of the 41st? Are elements deployed overseas? What’s their manning? Their maintenance readiness? Who knows?

Maybe Trump uses federal forces, like the 82nd Airborne Division’s ready brigade. Now they have to fly from Ft. Bragg, North Carolina, to Portland. Can they land at the airport? Remember, it’s a non-permissive environment. Will the Democrat regime refuse to allow them to land, or if they do land, refuse to service the planes? I guess we need to send in an Air Force airbase unit to run things. That’s more troops.

And how are we supporting this rapidly expanding force package? Will local contractors serve the military, or be too intimidated to work with the military (they will still be in Portland long after the Army goes home). I guess we could bring in a support brigade. We’re over 10,000 troops now. Say, how do we get their vehicles there? Drive them across the country? Put them on trains? That takes time.

Where does this military force assemble if the state and local government are not letting them use local facilities? Maybe the military just moves into, say, a stadium parking lot to use as a base. And maybe a federal judge issues an injunction saying it can’t. Oh, we’ll need more troops to defend this logistics and command and control base. And we’ll need a combat support hospital in case the local government refuses to allow local hospitals to treat the sick and wounded. Please, try and maintain a straight face saying there is no way Democrat politicians in a blue city would forbid our troops from getting medical care.

Let’s put the awkward issues of logistics aside and talk tactics, though professionals always think logistics while amateurs only think tactics. What do the troops actually do? Patrol? Got to wait on our vehicles. Do they go arrest looters? For what? If the looters violate federal law – like crossing a state line to riot – that’s easy. You hook them up, turn them over to the federal cops and the US attorney prosecutes them. But what if they commit a state crime, which most routine crimes are? In LA ‘92, we grabbed a crook and handed him over to the LAPD and he went to jail and got prosecuted. But the Portland police will be ordered not to cooperate. Moreover, the Portland DA will not charge them, much less prosecute them. What do you do with them? How do the feds hold a rioter for a state crime that he is not charged with?

Non-permissive environments suck, huh?

Then there is the rules of engagement (ROE) issue. What are the ROE going to be? Basically, the ROE outlines what force can you use on the rioters, with particular interest in when you can shoot them. That’s always a huge deal. You want these soldiers to go out and do something to the rioters, so you need to decide what. Remember, they are the ones who can get prosecuted if they kill someone. Oh, Trump’s Department of Justice won’t prosecute them today, but will a Democrat administration’s DOJ do that tomorrow? Don’t scoff – British ex-soldiers today are, despicably, getting prosecuted for killing IRA terrorists in Northern Ireland back in the 1970s.

Now, the Democrat regime would love nothing more than for a military unit to open fire on “peaceful protestors.” So, would the media. Looking for fairness? How many of the mainstream outlets have reported that one of the criminals Kyle Rittenhouse shot in self-defense was a convicted pedophile? The demagogues are aching for Trump to throw them into the briar patch of a military crackdown. Remember, this whole riot scheme is an information operation designed to present the country as out of control and Trump as, alternatively, ineffectual or authoritarian.

These rioters have no actual power. They don’t hold ground and a determined police response by local cops with a DA who prosecutes them would scatter them. The Democrats are using them to intimidate voters into accepting Biden’s implicit argument that if we allow the liberal establishment back into power, these bad people will go away (they won’t, but that’s what the Dems want you to think). These Antifa and BLM street punks can serve the liberal elite’s cause just as well as martyrs.

Bottom Line: All in all, sending military forces into a non-permissive environment in a blue city is a recipe for disaster.

It’s easy to fume about Trump not waving his magic camo wand and making the Antifa and BLM rioters disappear, but the reality of the situation created by the Democrat regime makes it a disaster waiting to happen. You either go in and essentially invade the cities and use an iron fist to crush the rioters – and make Kent State’s body count look as paltry as the audience for a Joe Biden rally – or you alienate some on your own side when you refuse to save the Democrat demagogues’ bacon by becoming the villain in their information operation.

These hard truths are not to say there is nothing for the feds to do. Until the Democrat regimes decide this needs to end and cooperate, the feds should do one of the few things the feds are good at – taking down large criminal organizations. Antifa is just like the drug cartels with less testosterone, and just like the mafia except with worse clothes and less testosterone. The feds should ignore the street thugs who make up the shock troops. It was no coincidence that 100 percent of the people Kyle shot had criminal records. The feds should focus on the LARPing middle class SJWs and the dedicated Marxist cadre and use RICO, conspiracy, and other federal charges to take them out and lock them up. When little Ashleigh from the suburbs realizes that she’s looking at five years in federal prison instead of heading back to the Evergreen State to finish her Bolivian Trans Dance of the 13th Century degree, the lawyer daddy buys her will get her to sing like a canary about her commie pals. The feds should identify and map the whole criminal organization, identify its players and funding, and wipe it out.

Look, it’s perfectly understandable to be frustrated. But getting mad at Trump because he is not doing something that would turn into the cluster fark to end all cluster farks is doing exactly what the liberal elite and its media minions want. Let Portland and the rest of the blue cities trash themselves. Let the DOJ, which has already charged dozens of these degenerates with federal beefs, do its thing. And make sure you get out and vote straight Republican if you want any hope of this ever ending.

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I've said it before and I'll say it again: grab just a few of those blm and antifa assholes, give them the full GITMO treatment, and release them back so they can tell some stories of what happened to them there and this shit will stop really quick.

We all know how detainees were treated at GITMO. The animals who are with blm and antifa deserve that same type of treatment. Everyone wants to be a gangster until it's time to do gangster shit.

Meanwhile in Rochester NY:



https://twitter.com/mrandyngo/.../1302072620871856128





Link to original video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LplZBdbILtU

Gauleiter Brown held a short press conference today, part of it for pleading for an end to violent protesting from the right wing groups. And asking for all parties to some conference to address the racial issues.

She has no plan and is still under the impression that it is far right protestors who have been rioting for the last 100 days.

Watching her spew her crap, is like watching my Baghdad Bob DVD, but less funny due to the seriousness here.

Here is this evening's broadcast on the dead antifa bonehead. Seems that Danielson was armed with a gun too. No mention if he had a CHL, which would make him 100 pct legal.

Hopefully, I got this youtube embedding thing right.




Link to original video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ukP-BhW5JU

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Don’t scoff – British ex-soldiers today are, despicably, getting prosecuted for killing IRA terrorists in Northern Ireland back in the 1970s.

Say What????? Seriously? How fucked up is that?

Assuming I read that correctly?
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Originally posted by icom706:
Gauleiter Brown held a short press conference today, part of it for pleading for an end to violent protesting from the right wing groups. And asking for all parties to some conference to address the racial issues.

She has no plan and is still under the impression that it is far right protestors who have been rioting for the last 100 days.

Watching her spew her crap, is like watching my Baghdad Bob DVD, but less funny due to the seriousness here.

She’s not under the impression that it’s “far right protestors” who have been rioting, she knows it’s blm/pantifa. She’s just trying, along with every other democrat, and the democrat media, to place the blame on right wingers, and take the heat off of blm/pantifa.

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I wouldn't drive the Dan Ryan in an armored personnel vehicle.

^^^^^^
Sometimes you do not have a choice and the alternate route is worse. There have been shootings on the Stevenson as well. Luckily, I no longer reside in Chicagoland.

I did that for 30 years!

What the fuck.

Video at link: https://twitter.com/stillgray/...076668052299777?s=21








That shit don't fly here in Derby City.

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Originally posted by RAMIUS:
What the fuck.

That shit don't fly here in Derby City.

I've no doubt they wouldn't get that close without being shot around here given their proclivity for violence, destruction, and general mayhem..

Black Lives Matter Activists Shut Down The I-5 In Seattle, Nine Arrested

https://hotair.com/archives/jo...attle-nine-arrested/

multiple videos at link

A group of Black Lives Matter protesters who call themselves Morning March shut down half of the I-5 freeway into Seattle Friday morning. After lecturing people with a bullhorn for half an hour police arrived and arrested nine people. At least one driver had to be dragged out of his vehicle. All of this was captured on video because a reporter from The Stranger was in one of the cars that blocked traffic.

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Originally posted by bald1:

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Originally posted by RAMIUS:
What the fuck.

That shit don't fly here in Derby City.

I've no doubt they wouldn't get that close without being shot around here given their proclivity for violence, destruction, and general mayhem..

Which ultimately is the way they should be dealt with. The scenes in Rochester prove these people know no boundaries whatsoever and need to be reminded, violently, where the lines in the sand are. I can all but guarantee that if that happened here in Central Florida, the news report would be citing that numerous 'protesters' were shot and killed by homeowners. Reality tells me that outcome is right around the corner if someone doesn't get a handle on this very soon.

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Originally posted by chongosuerte:
If they were locals assigned as Task Force Officers to the US Marshals, they were Marshals for all intents and purposes. Sworn, badge carrying, deputy US Marshals with all the gear, fed vehicles, fed OT pay, etc. That’s pretty standard nation-wide.

Thanks for explaining that. That also explains the seeming contradictions in the news article from Olympia that another member and I posted. The headline reads that the dead trash was taken out by U.S. Marshalls, but the text of the article specified 3 other local agencies.

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Originally posted by bald1:

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Originally posted by RAMIUS:
What the fuck.

That shit don't fly here in Derby City.

I've no doubt they wouldn't get that close without being shot around here given their proclivity for violence, destruction, and general mayhem..

It'll be quite awhile before something like this happens around here. ANTIFA/BLM types know there is a rifle behind every blade of grass in these neighborhoods. We plan to be gone by then.

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It'll be quite awhile before something like this happens around here. ANTIFA/BLM types know there is a rifle behind every blade of grass in these neighborhoods. We plan to be gone by then.

We agree it isn't likely, but with the protestors fighting with the police in Cottonwood Heights, that guy getting shot by a BLM protestor in Provo, and the stuff we saw downtown this area is changing.