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Originally posted by Hound Dog:

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Originally posted by dgshooter:
I say don't kick them out of the service. Make them serve out their contract as enlisted, starting at E-1. They would learn that their actions have consequences and the rest of the cadets would think twice before doing anything like this.

No.

You don't 'punish' somebody by making them enlisted. It is a pivilege to serve in any rank.

You punish somebody by jailing and/or booting them out.

The cadets who did drugs are not worthy to wear ANY uniform (except prison orange).

I was proud to have been an enlisted man for almost seventeen years, and then just as proud to have been an officer for the following sixteen.

As I pointed out to a snotty captain one afternoon, I had been promoted seven times before I got commissioned, the last time to Warrant Officer 1st Class, a rank that in a Regimental setting, has only the commanding officer to look up to.

As a captain he had only been promoted three times, and the first to second was automatic.

4 years, hard labor.

Making little ones out of big ones…

Then a dishonorable discharge…

What a waste. Embarrassed families, no good comes out of this.

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Originally posted by chellim1:

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Also unknown is what year these cadets were - freshmen, sophomores, juniors or seniors. If the first two, then there is no service obligation - they are just out, pending any UCMJ action. Juniors and seniors have a service obligation and it will be up to the Academy and the Army as to their outcome.

They are seniors. 2 months to graduation.

Source, please?

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Originally posted by Hound Dog:
No.

You don't 'punish' somebody by making them enlisted. It is a pivilege to serve in any rank.

You punish somebody by jailing and/or booting them out.

The cadets who did drugs are not worthy to wear ANY uniform (except prison orange).

I wholeheartedly agree. I served 15 years as a USAF officer (10 1/2 as a Captain) and was separated for failure of promotion. I enlisted E-4 to serve another 5 years to qualify for retirement (as a Captain) and was glad to have the opportunity to do so. My enlisted time was some of the best service I did and I was proud to do it.

flashguy

Not if but when they are convicted for the drug use and the conduct unbecoming of a officer at the least be discharged with atleast a less than honorable for the two two cadets that tried to help and the other 4 cadets get a dishonorable discharge unless they were more involved then all of them get the big boot with a dishonorable discharge...... Just because they were on spring break and not on the academy grounds does not excuse their actions if anything it heightens their responsibilty to represent the service academy as well as themselves personally............... drill sgt.

If they took the drugs, punish them. If they accidentally OD'd giving CPR, give them a medal. I'm not going to judge this one quickly.

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Originally posted by Fredward:

If they took the drugs, punish them. If they accidentally OD'd giving CPR, give them a medal. I'm not going to judge this one quickly.

I don't disagree with you about the ones who did CPR, no need for hasty judgement.

Those who took the cocaine though, if the proof is there (and it probably is), they took our tax dollars to pay for outstanding education putting them on the road to positions of leadership and knowingly threw all of that away.

If found guilty by due process, no punches should be pulled for penalty. Hard time (maximum) if applicable, dishonorable discharge, etc.

Likely won't be criminally charged. Will likely get kicked out and face a demand for repayment of the education cost $2-300,000. I found previous cases where this was the result of a cadet being busted for drug use.

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Originally posted by Patriot:
4 years, hard labor.

Making little ones out of big ones…

Then a dishonorable discharge…