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This was posted in the Illinois Carry forum. They pulled their opposition to a gun licensing bill in Illinois for a carve out for themselves. Very disappointed in these two companies.

http://illinoiscarry.com/forum....php?showtopic=65557
 
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Here is a better read on what went on.

https://www.thetruthaboutguns....cheme-for-carve-out/
 
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Springfield Armory, Rock River Arms Trade Opposition to Illinois FFL Licensing Scheme for Carve-Out

John Boch
April 27, 2017


Earlier today, the Illinois State Senate passed bill SB-1657 by a one-vote margin. While its prospects are still unsure in the House, if signed by Governor Bruce Rauner, the new law will mandate state licensing for all Illinois gun dealers. It will also restrict all others in Illinois to nine firearm transfers per year.

The lobbyist for the Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association (IFMA), Jay Keller, traded that group’s opposition to the bill in exchange for a carve-out, removing Prairie State firearms manufacturers from the licensing requirements.

Two companies provide the bulk of the funding for IFMA: Springfield Armory and Rock River Arms.



To be clear, the original version of SB-1657 did not exempt manufacturers from the licensing regulations. At the time, Jay Keller and IFMA opposed it.



At a March Senate hearing, however, Keller stated that IFMA would drop its opposition to SB-1657 and go neutral if legislators gave the state’s gun makers a pass. State Senator Don Harmon delivered on his end of the deal with an amendment exempting big box stores and manufacturers from this scheme.

With that amendment, IFMA dropped its opposition to the bill, going neutral on the witness slip. That serves as a very public position on a bill in Illinois politics.



The bill then sailed through Committee. From there it went to the Senate floor, where it passed by the aforementioned one vote margin (note: at least 30 “yes” votes are required for a bill to pass in the Illinois Senate).



I asked both Springfield and Rock River for comment on the then-pending deal with anti-gun legislators. Neither had any comment. Less than an hour ago, Springfield CEO Dennis Reese issued a statement about the IFRA capitulation. We will be publishing that statement in a few minutes in a following post (you can read it here).

Springfield Armory and Rock River’s decision to cut a deal on licensing in Illinois — enabling the antis’ desire to control FFL dealer sales — is a dangerous gamble. As we pointed out in our Question of the Day, Smith & Wesson and Ruger paid an enormous price when they sacrificed gun rights on the altar of government “cooperation.”

Will there be a similar consumer backlash here, or will The People of the Gun view this as a minor accommodation? We’ll see how this plays in the court of public opinion.


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Turncoats.
 
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Don't own a Springfield or RRA. Will not own either one.


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Don't own a Springfield or RRA. Will not own either one.


I own several Springfield firearms.

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I own five Springfield's, won't buy another one either.
 
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I've owned firearms from both companies. Fuck 'em both.
 
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Don't own a Springfield or RRA. Will not own either one.


Was considering a Springer for a near future purchase.

No more.


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Stupid thing for SA to do right as they release a new lineup of pistols. Guess they thought nobody would notice. For lack of a better term they "United" themselves.
 
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Stupid thing for SA to do right as they release a new lineup of pistols. Guess they thought nobody would notice. For lack of a better term they "United" themselves.


Yep, I planned on getting me another in the next few months, but no more. Looks like FN will get my business.
 
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Very disappointing to say the least.


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I won't be buying anything from these 2 companies in the future.


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Looks like their new pistol could be DOA thanks to this. Great move CEO!
 
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If you do partake in social media please do let SA know your feelings on this.

These two companies are dead to me.


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Of all the dumb fucking things to do. How long did it take Ruger to shake the stigma from their bullshit (whether true or not) from years and years ago??

Good grief.




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Damn it, I was just thinking about getting an XDM 5.25 competition and throwing a Powder River Precision trigger in it.

Any one want to sell me a Sig X5?


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I really wanted a Socom 16, now SA can shove that rifle up their ass. I only interacted with the company once and while the interaction was not pleasant I didn't harbor animosity against the company due to one asshole employee. This is different.


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One would've thought they'd have known better after S&W's experience.



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One would've thought they'd have known better after S&W's experience.


I guess CEO's as a breed just ain't too bright.

Wonder if they'll get mooned at the NRA convention?


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