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Originally posted by Bigboreshooter:
I believe he said that it could "easily bring down an elephant." I was left speechless...

I prefer these for turkey or geese...best not choot 'em close, it damages the meat...

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Originally posted by Bigboreshooter:
I believe he said that it could "easily bring down an elephant." I was left speechless...

Maybe he meant a baby elephant.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
How come they never bring firearms experts on the air to explain this stuff?? It is not that complicated. The networks at times have gone to great lengths to explain certain medical conditions with diagrams and the like. It can be simplfied so the average American can understand.

Who needs a firearm expert when you have Gregg Jarrett?

Seems a couple of years ago something else stupid gun related came out of his pie hole

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
How come they never bring firearms experts on the air to explain this stuff?? It is not that complicated. The networks at times have gone to great lengths to explain certain medical conditions with diagrams and the like. It can be simplfied so the average American can understand.

They don't WANT experts. They want retards like the above-quoted examples, extolling the terrible 'virtues' of the eevil 'assault rifle.' Pin-point accuracy out to 1000 yards. Bring down an elephant. More deadly than 'normal' bullets. 'Easily converted' to full-auto. Can hold 100-rounds in drum magazines. Anybody can easily buy them via the 'gun show loophole.' 5-yr old kids have ready access to them. You can get PTSD from firing one (firing one is "horrifying, menacing, and very loud"). Ooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh............ Scary. No 'reasonable' person would 'need' such a weapon.

This media hype is ALL driven by hype, the anti- political agenda, and fear-mongering.

another MedStar update. a bit repetitious but provides a little more detail

Condition Update: Congressman Steve Scalise

June 16, 2017

Press briefing remarks by Dr. Jack Sava, Director of Trauma for MedStar Washington Hospital Center
Shared on behalf of the Scalise family, June 16, 2017, 3:15 p.m.

We are aware that many in the nation are concerned about the patients brought to us for care, after the shooting in Alexandria, Virginia, on Wednesday, June 14. I want to provide some background and an update.

Special Agent Crystal Griner with the United States Capitol Police sustained a gunshot wound to the ankle, and remains hospitalized in good condition.

Congressman Steve Scalise sustained a single wound from a rifle, entering in the area of his left hip. The bullet traveled straight across toward the other hip, in what we call a transpelvic gunshot wound. The round fragmented, and caused significant damage to bones, internal organs and blood vessels. I understand he was awake initially, but due to severe bleeding, by the time he arrived at MedSTAR by helicopter, he was in shock.

My partners, Dr. Tony Shiflett and Dr. Christine Trankiem, as well as other doctors and nurses, saw him in the trauma center, and immediately transported him to the operating room for surgery. In the OR, he was in critical condition and received many units of blood transfusion for ongoing hemorrhage from multiple locations. He received truly amazing anesthesia care from Dr. Scott Frank and Dr. Eric Skolnick. Largely due to their work, we were able to get him through the operation and take him to Interventional Radiology, where Dr. Arshad Khan performed another procedure to further control bleeding.

From there he was taken to intensive care under the care of Dr. Chadi Abouassaly. Over the course of Wednesday night, we were encouraged to see evidence that we had controlled the bleeding. Yesterday, (June 15, 2017) Dr. Trankiem and I performed a second operation, and Dr. Rob Golden, our director of orthopaedic trauma, repaired a bone in the leg.

The Congressman remains in critical condition. Over the last 36 hours, we have been encouraged to see some improvement in his condition. We have controlled the internal bleeding, and his vital signs have stabilized.

The Congressman will require additional operations to manage abdominal injuries and other broken bones. He will be in the hospital for some time. Predicting the length of that hospital stay will be much easier after a few more days have passed. After discharge he will need a period of healing and rehabilitation.

On behalf of the MedSTAR Trauma team, I’d like to thank the special agents on the scene for their outstanding life-saving response, and I’d like to thank the first responders for the excellent care given to all the people injured. We are aware here at the Hospital Center of their critical role, and we salute their commitment and dedication.

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Originally posted by jdmb03:

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Originally posted by Bigboreshooter:
I believe he said that it could "easily bring down an elephant." I was left speechless...

Maybe he meant a baby elephant.

Well, whatever he meant, it would seem to be inappropriate by any meaning of the word...

I'm guessing he wasn't thinking like that.

Well, poachers use AKs or SKS and the 7.62X39 round, but I doubt they use but one round. Or one poacher.

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Originally posted by FrankMoses:
Well, poachers use AKs or SKS and the 7.62X39 round, but I doubt they use but one round. Or one poacher.

You could kill an elephant with a .22LR, but I wouldn't recommend it. Hunters/guides use the massive 'elephant guns' to punch through their thick skulls for a one-shot brain kill against charging bulls. Poachers could indeed empty a magazine of 7.62x39 into one, and the elephant would die, but not as quickly or cleanly as an ethical hunter would do it.

So, saying an xyz rifle/round could 'kill an elephant' is technically accurate but intentionally misleading and dishonest.

For all the hype about 'assault rifles,' I like how many states don't permit hunters to use 556/.223 for deer. It's essentially a varmit cartridge, but that doesn't 'fit the narrative' they are trying to peddle.


I Googled and found this on CNN of all places:


Myths of military full metal jacket ammunition.

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**snip**

Hunting regulations specify that full metal jacket rounds can not be used. Regulations specify that only hollow point or expanding ammo can be used, as that is designed to kill. The .223 or 5.56 specific hunting round can't be used on anything bigger than a coyote. For hunting purposes, the round is classed as varmint use only. Hunting deer or larger is illegal in most states. It is also mentioned quite frequently that a human is equivalent to a deer sized object.

**snip**

I should have written more. I agree, and that was my point, that multiple poachers using as many magazines as necessary will kill elephants with the most available gun/round in Africa. And maybe that's how some "expert" used bad math to suggest that the 7.62X39 is an elephant round. I doubt they're going to be sporting Hollands.

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Originally posted by JALLEN:
Can a 7.62 bullet from an SKS easily bring down an elephant?

John Roberts on Fox just assured us that was so.

If you are Walter Dalrymple Maitland Bell. He shot scores of big elephants with a .275 Rigby.

But if he were shooting at the people on that ball field, he'd have head shot the lot, then run down the Democrats and done the same.

He holds another amazing record - during WW I he flew fighters and scored an air-to-air kill with a single round.

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Originally posted by JALLEN:
Can a 7.62 bullet from an SKS easily bring down an elephant?

John Roberts on Fox just assured us that was so.

His quote was (as I recall), "A .762 caliber hunting rifle that could easily bring down an elephant".

Yes, ignorance on full dusplay, but hey, at least he didn't call it an "assault rifle".

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Originally posted by JALLEN:
Can a 7.62 bullet from an SKS easily bring down an elephant?

John Roberts on Fox just assured us that was so.

If you hit an elephant in the balls with an SKS it will go down ? Huh.... How many times do you have to hit them?

Released on behalf of the Scalise family, Saturday, June 17, 2017, 6 p.m.

Congressman Steve Scalise is in serious condition.

He underwent another surgery today, but continues to show signs of improvement. He is more responsive, and is speaking with his loved ones. The Scalise family greatly appreciates the outpouring of thoughts and prayers.

Note: This is the final update for the weekend.

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upgraded from critical to serious. step in right direction

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

Maybe he meant a baby elephant.

Well, whatever he meant, it would seem to be inappropriate by any meaning of the word...

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I wouldn't be so generous in my assessment - they know exactly what they are saying and its designed to convey a specif meaning

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These motherfuckers need to be hit over the head with a pillowcase of doorknobs. Repeatedly.

we are way past that

House Majority Whip Steve Scalise, R-La., has been upgraded to fair condition and continues to make progress in his recovery from a gunshot wound to the hip last week, MedStar Washington Hospital Center said Wednesday.


"He is now listed in fair condition and is beginning an extended period of healing and rehabilitation," the hospital said.

http://www.washingtonexaminer....ting/article/2626632

Praise the Lord!

-Rob

The completely incompetent FBI has declared that this was not terrorism.
FBI: Congressional Baseball Shooter Acted Alone; Wasn't Terrorism


James T. Hodgkinson, the man who opened fire at the Republican's baseball practice a week ago in Alexandria, Virginia, acted alone and was not part of a terrorist organization, according to the FBI. The Bureau is investigating the incident as an "assault on a member of Congress" instead of a terrorist incident.



The FBI also confirmed that Hodgkinson had a list of six members of Congress on him at the time of the attack.



Further, he had a bit of an obsession with the Republican Party, and had searched for things like "2017 Republican Convention" on the eve of the shooting. After the New York Times reported that the Republicans practiced baseball in a park in Alexandria, Hodgkinson went to the ball field and took pictures. (Yet, the FBI does not believe that this was "surveillance" of the scene.)



Hodgkinson lived out of his car in Alexandria for the months leading up to the shooting. He is originally from Illinois. He was killed at the scene by members of the Capitol Police who were on House Majority Whip Scalise's security detail. His guns were purchased legally in Illinois.

It seems rather odd that the FBI is so quick to declare that this wasn't terrorism. After all, terrorism is defined as the "unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims." That's quite literally what Hodgkinson did last week in the park. He attempted to murder members of Congress with whom he disagreed. How is that not terrorism?

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Originally posted by BamaJeepster:
The completely incompetent FBI has declared that this was not terrorism.

You're being a bit to complimentary of the current FBI. The FBI is corrupt from the head all the way down.

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It seems rather odd that the FBI is so quick to declare that this wasn't terrorism. After all, terrorism is defined as the "unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims." That's quite literally what Hodgkinson did last week in the park. He attempted to murder members of Congress with whom he disagreed. How is that not terrorism?

Look, to these people water isn't wet and the sun isn't hot unless they serve an agenda of some sort. I will not speculate what that agenda is, but their refusing to call this what it is clearly identifies that 'some' agenda is in play.