How badly will they cheat? Enough not to get creamed.

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Originally posted by bigdeal:

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Originally posted by goose5:

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If you can provide us a reasonable, well thought out, explanation as to how a candidate who couldn't win his own primary without the DNC completely stepping in and pushing everyone else out of it

Easy. Its called the DNC practice of super delegates.

Super delegates don't even account for a significant fraction of 81 million votes. Try again.

Sorry I thought you were talking about the primaries and the Democrat super delegate practice is well known. Folks, there is always a measure of fraud in every election. The people I read and listen to say wasn't enough to sway the election. It seems some Republicans are now practicing ballot harvesting.

https://www.washingtontimes.co...esting-michelle-ste/

https://lawandcrime.com/2020-e...ds-of-recent-memory/

https://thehill.com/homenews/s...lty-to-ballot-fraud/

https://www.businessinsider.co...t-harvesting-2020-10

The last time I participated in this topic I recommend the Republicans had three alternatives. 1. Do nothing and let the cycle take care of itself. 2. Refine messaging efforts and win beyond the margin of fraud if you think fraud is wide spread. 3. Learn to cheat too. Looks like some Republicans are practicing number 3.

I've detected elements of both sides of the isle who are working very hard to keep as many people as possible inflamed. Why? Well, perhaps so you don't notice a few things. The party of smaller government. When's the last time that actually happened? 100 years ago. Fiscally responsible party. Not for 30 years. Party of lower taxes. Last tax cut was 5%. That's it. Republicans have won one popular vote since 1988. The right's message while being healthy and logical for the continuation of this Republic is simply not popular with the majority of the people. That has to change. And that can't change while so many of us are engaged in finger pointing and claims of you cheated. In 1960 Nixon was advised to challenge that election. His response was no I won't put the country through that. And, now since Gore challenging elections is the common response on both sides.

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Originally posted by lastmanstanding:
I agree and this is where the Democrats screwed up. They did it with overkill because they weren't going to have another 2016 Hillary loss. They got reckless and things started to become obvious. Imo they rigged it for Hillary but they underestimated how much rigging was needed.

IMO, this is a pretty good assessment.

Yes, there was fraud in 2016. Remember Broward County and Miami-Dade County, their late ballots and continued count? Also when Julian Assaunge and Wikileaks released tens of thousands of emails, there were some that did not get a lot of attention. Specifically, emails from Todd Macklerr of Smartmatic Voting Programming to Donna Brazil, DNC head, and John Podesta, Hillary's campaign manager, informing them of the progress in the pre-programming of voting machines. The tweeking of electronic voting algorithms was slight to not raise suspicion, but it was not enough to counter the unexpected flood of Trump votes.

And this is the only logical explanation why the Clinton people, the DNC, etc. why they were so certain, they just knew, 100% that Hillary was going to win. Because the only way to be 100% certain is to fix it.

In 2020, they decided to go all out to make sure the mistakes of 2016 did not occur. They didn't care about the optics of it all because they had the protection of the leftist media outlets. There was no "evidence" at the time in the truest sense of the word because the courts and authorities simply refused to consider the data, witnesses and facts presented, thus making these non evidence materials by design.

I still consider the 2020 election to be one of the darkest, most shameful moments in U.S. history.

^^ Don't forget events post-January 6th, with Nancy Pelosi screaching to the skies that any Republican who didn't vote to certify the steal had to resign and, when that went nowhere, to stand up and effectively swear a public loyalty oath. For a few days there, I think she really did believe she could lock in the kind of donkey dominance the Dems did in California.

On the one hand, that shows you the extent of their ambition at a moment when they thought they couldn't be resisted.

On the other hand, boy howdy did they ever tip their hand in ways the most politically sanguine simply could not ignore.

I would say "let the electoral backlash begin", but I think we saw a beginning - no matter how unclear or imperfect - in Virginia's last Governor's race.

William Barr was Trump's attorney general for the last two years of his presidency. I read his book "One Damn Thing After Another." An interesting read. One of the things he mentioned in his book was that whenever he went out to speak to Republican audiences, without except his policies had wide spread enthusiastic support. However, without fail in every single case in unguarded private conversations the supporters all asked him to tell Trump the same thing - Stay on message with regard to policy issues. For everything else "Can you get him to just shut the fuck up. Stop getting into these bull shit disputes with fellow Republicans." That's a direct quote from his book. Some of you may recall the first debate he had with Biden. Biden told him at one point to "shut up." Tucker Carlson spoke to Trump after that debate. Tucker told Trump - "I wanted you to shut up too." In the second debate Trump took on a whole new persona. He was disciplined. He interrupted much less frequently. He came across as Presidential. But as Karl Rove said, it was too late.

I never felt that Biden won so much as Trump lost. Barr showed data from the election results that in many swing districts the Republican congressional candidate did better than Trump.

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I never felt that Biden won so much as Trump lost. .

And, this is what so many here have to reconcile.

Trump didn't lose and Biden didn't win.

Trump and America was robbed by a stolen election.

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Originally posted by Fed161:
William Barr was Trump's attorney general for the last two years of his presidency. I read his book "One Damn Thing After Another." An interesting read. One of the things he mentioned in his book was that whenever he went out to speak to Republican audiences, without except his policies had wide spread enthusiastic support. However, without fail in every single case in unguarded private conversations the supporters all asked him to tell Trump the same thing - Stay on message with regard to policy issues. For everything else "Can you get him to just shut the fuck up. Stop getting into these bull shit disputes with fellow Republicans." That's a direct quote from his book. Some of you may recall the first debate he had with Biden. Biden told him at one point to "shut up." Tucker Carlson spoke to Trump after that debate. Tucker told Trump - "I wanted you to shut up too." In the second debate Trump took on a whole new persona. He was disciplined. He interrupted much less frequently. He came across as Presidential. But as Karl Rove said, it was too late.

I never felt that Biden won so much as Trump lost. Barr showed data from the election results that in many swing districts the Republican congressional candidate did better than Trump.

I would be leery of anything Bar would say. I'm not sold on him given his involvement at Ruby Ridge. I certainly support Trump but I'm not sold on his people picking abilities like his choices for Attorney Generals.

They criticize Trump's tweets and talks because that's the only thing they can criticize. He certainly didn't lose any votes especially considering he gained black and hispanic votes.

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Originally posted by Rey HRH:
He certainly didn't lose any votes especially considering he gained black and hispanic votes.

That scares the dems. A lot.

Since the 60s, they have owned the black vote because of LBJ.

Malcolm X said:

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The white liberal is the worst enemy to America, and the worst enemy to the black man. The liberal elements of whites are those who have perfected the art of selling themselves to the Negro as a friend of the Negro. Getting sympathy of the Negro, getting the allegiance of the Negro, and getting the mind of the Negro. Then the Negro sides with the white liberal and the white liberal uses the Negro against the white conservative. So that anything the Negro does is never for his own good, never for his own advancement, never for his own progress, he's only a pawn in the hands of the white liberal

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Originally posted by Fed161:

I never felt that Biden won so much as Trump lost. .

And, this is what so many here have to reconcile.

Birds of a Feather, I see...

Trumps biggest downfall was he didn't realize the width and breadth of the swamp. He was trusting of people in their positions and didn't realize until it was too late how much resistance to him there was in his inner circle.
He could have easily accomplished so much more had he had the cooperation of his party.

All one needs to do is to look at the state of the country when Trump was president to now. Then keep in mind Trump was working in strong head winds the entire time. I get it Trump was rough around the edges. His speech was not polished, he had his arrogance and was brash. If he were a personal friend I'd say I could take him in small doses. But his results and his intentions were undeniable. It was never about him it was always about the citizens and this country. That's what some people here can't reconcile. They always took him personally. As if he was a insult to them personally and ignored his true intent. The media of course took every advantage of that and inflamed those feelings in people.

Trump disrupted the standard operating procedure in Washington and around the world. He was trying to hold everyone and every country accountable. Corruption was not to be tolerated, every country was to pay their fair share and we were no longer the worlds piggy bank at the expense of the American tax payer. This could not stand of course. This had to be stopped at all costs and it was. Does anyone doubt the corruption of the Biden family? We have no idea how deep it actually is and of course it's not limited to him nor is it limited to the Democrats.

Things are not just back to normal operating procedure as it was before Trump it is now entirely out in the open. I for one am not going to be shocked if the mid terms do not end up in a Republican landslide like like what's being predicted.

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Originally posted by Fed161:
I never felt that Biden won so much as Trump lost. Barr showed data from the election results that in many swing districts the Republican congressional candidate did better than Trump.

Do you even realize that in 2020, Trump received over 74 million votes, 11 million more than he received in 2016? And that the 74 million he received is 5 million more than Obama's landmark election in 2008?

Trump did not lose votes, essentially all 63 million from 2016 voted for him in 2020, along with 11 million more supporters. And like Obama, Trump in both 2016 and 2020 had stadiums full of supporters at his rallies, over a million at a time streaming his rallies. The enthusiasm for him was off the charts.

Biden was given 81 million votes, the most in U.S history, blowing away his boss Obama's numbers, who rivaled Trump in popularity. Yet Biden could not even create enough enthusiasm to draw 100 people to a rally. His streaming of the rallies regularly drew less than 10,000 viewers. George McGovern and Michael Dukakis had more enthusiasm for their campaigns than Joe Biden.

And yes, voter enthusiasm is a huge component in getting elected.

It blows the mind to think that there are guys in this forum that still think Biden actually won the presidency by legitimate means.

And anything that has Barr and Rove's names attached, is horseshit.

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Originally posted by Fed161:
Some of you may recall the first debate he had with Biden. Biden told him at one point to "shut up." Tucker Carlson spoke to Trump after that debate. Tucker told Trump - "I wanted you to shut up too."

I've always thought that he was trying to get Biden flustered so that his dementia would be on full display. Obviously it backfired.

Let's just hope the Republicans don't overreach afterwords and take this as a vote of confidence that everyone likes all of their policies and actions.

This is really going to happen because the middle to far left is so out of touch with reality, has somehow gotten control of their party, and they have no real rational leaders to take over control of their democrat party.

Both parties are mostly run by morally and ethically bankrupt politicians that are only interested in shaking down the rest of us to line their pockets.

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Let's just hope the Republicans don't overreach afterwords and take this as a vote of confidence that everyone likes all of their policies and actions.

What policies?
In 2016 we handed control of the Senate, the House, and the White House to the Republicans.
The biggest policy issue was the repeal of Obamacare. It could and should have literally been done on Day 1.
Still waiting...

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Let's just hope the Republicans don't overreach afterwords and take this as a vote of confidence that everyone likes all of their policies and actions.

What policies?
In 2016 we handed control of the Senate, the House, and the White House to the Republicans.
The biggest policy issue was the repeal of Obamacare. It could and should have literally been done on Day 1.
Still waiting...

Maybe I should have said, policies and lack of policies.
I'm not sure what is worse in their case, inaction or some of the misguided stuff they actually do or try to do.

Since this thread went quiet, the draft of the Mississippi abortion ruling came out. It looks like the Supremes are going to overturn Roe V Wade. Does this change the premise of this thread. A lot of women will be steaming made at this.

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Originally posted by BBMW:
Since this thread went quiet, the draft of the Mississippi abortion ruling came out. It looks like the Supremes are going to overturn Roe V Wade. Does this change the premise of this thread. A lot of women will be steaming made at this.

Cynical me says that's going to be the cover story for why the Democrats retain both houses this November just like they said it was a film by Dinesh Dsouza that spurred the Benghazi attack.

But I think this story won't have any legs as real people including those that voted for Biden deal with rising prices.

The Democrats threw out the baby with the bathwater on this issue when they've been saying they can't define what a woman is or that the government has the right over your body to insist you wear a mask. Pro-life people should just keep throwing Democrats' inanities back to their face until some sense is knocked into them.

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Originally posted by BBMW:
Since this thread went quiet, the draft of the Mississippi abortion ruling came out. It looks like the Supremes are going to overturn Roe V Wade. Does this change the premise of this thread. A lot of women will be steaming made at this.

Won't change a damn thing.

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Originally posted by Fed161:

Barr showed data from the election results that in many swing districts the Republican congressional candidate did better than Trump.

Yeah, because the dems put in fraudulent balots (either physically, via thumb drive, or voting machine algorithms) for biden. They didn't have time to add fake balots for the dem senate/congress and govenor candidates.

There were countless stories of balots marked ONLY for biden, with no other candidates marked.

Of course, there are none so blind as those who will not see.