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Originally posted by Bytes:

You've said that China is a long term threat and Russia is short term. Not sure but from what I'm seeing China seems to be right fucking here and right fucking now. Why am I not seeing China like you do? I would love for you to enlighten me as to why China is not a major threat today.

Are you referring to an economic threat or a military threat?

If you are referring to an economic threat, then yes, China is an immediate economic threat. I do not see China as an immediate military threat to the U.S.

Man, you need to wake up and smell the stir-fry.

Odd…but not really when you have an open and cognitive mind and think on it…I live in still “Red” State and a “Red” city and neighborhood where many homes display Old Glory…but a few folks are flying the Biden/Ukrainian flag off their front porch, for whatever reason…my belief is that there enough “blue dog” democrats that swallow the total bullshit spewed out to keep this corrupt POS family in power…even to the destruction of the Republic that they require on for survival (I think it’s “a cutting off your own nose to spite your face” kinda thing”…only when it comes around and kicks them in their own nutsack will they cry and whine)…bottom line is that Democrats have to go and a BIG FUCK YOU to Zeilnskyy and your contribution to that moronic fraud Hunter and daddy Joe (take a clue from Carter and quickly follow his lead for our Nation’s sake)

At least President Grandpa has his priorities in order, right?

President Grandpa makes a surprise visit to President Food Stamps in Ukraine

Hey, he's tended to all the problems in the US, so, why not, right?

It would have been a much shorter flight to East Palestine, OH to see what's going on there instead, but...priorities is priorities.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Hey, he's tended to all the problems in the US, so, why not, right?

Agreed, his work is pretty much done here. Now it's time to clean up Europe and make sure their borders are secure.

Who's got time for some toxic chemical disaster in some podunk mid west town when that Ukraine gravy train is running full steam? And how is Hunter gonna sell his paintings unless dad goes over there and hustles up some business deals.

Maybe the townsfolk should pool together and buy some paintings.

Screw that begging corrupt tiny tyrant.

So many seem to forget about Trump's phone call to him and how the democrats and left wing media such as CNN and MSNBC went bat shit crazy insane over it an immediately called for impeachment? Impeachment for a phone call that was monitored by many people and nothing wrong or unusual was said other then referring to the "big guy". Yeah it's all crystal clear now especially after seeing the impeachment witch hunt fiasco.

The history of Ukraine, Russia, and NATO is long and volatile yet according to left wing MSM Russia just decided to invade Russia one sunny day with absolutely no provocation and lots of existing historic videos about the situation suddenly started disappearing from You Tube and other places.

We have no business getting into a proxy war with Russia via Ukraine and the resulting escalation is very disturbing. The $100 billion amounts to about $1000 per US family tacked onto the rapidly growing debt yet still zero concern securing our own borders by the idiot in the White House and the rest of the corrupt democrats who also love arming Ukraine citizens while at the same time want to disarm US citizens. But have no fear as Brandon and team proved their military prowess during the evacuation from Afghanistan.

Well, you know...

freedom... democracy... St. Zelensky... etc.

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Originally posted by chellim1:
Senator Rand Paul (R-KY) suggested 'Ohio’s governor DeWine don a mask of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to obtain assistance.

As an Ohioan...that one got a laugh out of me.

However, I'm not sure what exactly the Federal Govt. has access to that was going to help us out. We also generally prefer to keep Uncle Sam out of our business when possible. I know they have FEMA, but I'm not sure what tools they would have access to that we wouldn't on our own. I guess we could have tried to get them to foot the cleanup bill, but I'm not sure what they could actually DO that our state folks can't. Like, could they bring in 10,000 earth movers, dig up all the contaminated soil, and create a lined basin to dump it all in within a few days? Do they have a special machine that can clean dirt, or a huge supply of some chemical that would eat the vinyl chloride that we couldn't possible get on short notice?

I don't know. Maybe it will turn out that the federal government did have some great way to deal with our chemical spill problem, and they didn't use it. However, if that does happen, I'm pretty sure it wont be because they were sending the solution to Ukraine instead. It isn't like missiles and IFV's were going to help us clean up a chemical spill. Unless they drained FEMA's budget by having it send all its funding to Ukraine, I'm not sure the one thing is really going to affect the other. I'd love to see our disaster get dealt with more quickly, but I don't think Ukraine stuff is what is keeping that from happening.

- Bret

Sure, let's keep screwing around in this regional conflict and make the guy we call crazy, even crazier. Freakin' brilliant.

Russia suspends participation in New START nuclear treaty with US, Putin says

But, hey, you guys who think our interference with this conflict is a good idea- you keep following the lead of the wise and ethical Biden administration. They'll never steer us wrong. Nothing to worry about, just look at their track record.

Air Raid Sirens Blared For Dramatic Effect During Biden’s Visit to Kiev

https://summit.news/2023/02/21...idens-visit-to-kiev/

Air raid sirens blared for dramatic effect during Joe Biden’s visit to Kiev to meet President Zelensky, despite there being no reports of missile strikes.

The crescendo of noise was seemingly deliberately engineered to make Biden’s photo shoot visit, during which he wore his trademark aviator sunglasses, look cool, calm and collected.

Observers noted how Biden and Zelensky walked around “Hollywood style” as the sirens piped up.

“I’ve been here for the past five days. I have not heard any explosions. I have not heard any air sirens, until about half an hour ago, right when President Biden was in the center of Kiev,” CNN’s Alex Marquardt reported in a telling admission.

The contrast was also noted by Reuters, which reported, “Air raid sirens blared across the Ukrainian capital as Biden visited Kyiv, although there were no reports of Russian missile or air strikes.”

“What a joke. This explains why no one in the entire vicinity ran for cover,” remarked Chris Menahan.

As we highlighted yesterday, while Biden’s visit to Ukraine was heralded by the media, the president has no plans to visit East Palestine in Ohio despite the unfolding disaster there impacting ordinary American citizens.

During his visit to Kiev, Biden pledged another $500 million in US military aid as American taxpayers continue to foot the bill to pay to prolong a war that has no end in sight.

videos at link.

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“I’ve been here for the past five days. I have not heard any explosions. I have not heard any air sirens, until about half an hour ago, right when President Biden was in the center of Kiev,” CNN’s Alex Marquardt reported in a telling admission.

If Biden has lost the support of his friends @ CNN he's in big trouble.

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Originally posted by Broadside:

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Originally posted by Bytes:

You've said that China is a long term threat and Russia is short term. Not sure but from what I'm seeing China seems to be right fucking here and right fucking now. Why am I not seeing China like you do? I would love for you to enlighten me as to why China is not a major threat today.

Are you referring to an economic threat or a military threat?

If you are referring to an economic threat, then yes, China is an immediate economic threat. I do not see China as an immediate military threat to the U.S.

Immediate? As in late this afternoon? OK, I'm good. As far as storm clouds on the horizon? I'm not expert on anything but I do know the Marine Corps has abandoned their very long term mission of being a force in readiness in favor of being a fixed fortification in the pacific. Tanks are gone. Tube artillery is gone. Close air support aircraft significantly reduced. Amphibious ships, which should be at around 35 to support at-sea forces are probably around 20 and many of those are broken, so broken that there were not enough available t0 respond to the earthquakes in Turkey and Syria. The offensive threat to our enemies by U.S. Marines has been gutted by friendly fire.

And all of this in service to an island based Maginot Line with anti ship missiles to
stop, I dunno, New Zealand?

Not No, but hell No.
I wouldn't give Ukraine anything. No money no arms.

Zelenskyy,Biden and all the swamp critters are filling their pockets.

All the kings horses
and all the kings men
aren't gonna stop this.

I don't think for a minute
that Ukraine can defeat Russia.

Ukraine will be reduced to rumble.

Should have made a deal with Russia 18 months ago.


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Russia's defense minister commented months ago that Russian forces were intentionally slowing their advance to spare civilian casualties. Russia is already pouring billions into reconstruction projects in territory they liberated. Russia could have easily steamrolled through to Kyiv within a week if they had zero regard for Ukrainian lives. I don't know how much longer Putin will tolerate Joe and Zelensky's provocations but its clear to me that dementia Joe desperately needs a foreign policy win to hang his hat on but Zelenaky has proven to be a corrupt and incompetent fool.

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Originally posted by Greymann:
I don't think for a minute
that Ukraine can defeat Russia.

100,000 dead Russian soldiers might disagree with you.

And I don't think they need to "defeat" Russia. They just need to push them back the fuck out of their country.

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Originally posted by Carpentermaass84:
Russia's defense minister commented months ago that Russian forces were intentionally slowing their advance to spare civilian casualties.

While intentionally bombing civilian targets.

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Russia is already pouring billions into reconstruction projects in territory they liberated.

"Liberated"? That would assume that it was their's to begin with. Newsflash - They invaded a sovereign nation.

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Russia could have easily steamrolled through to Kyiv within a week if they had zero regard for Ukrainian lives

They tried to "steamroll" through to Kiev and failed...while deliberately bombing civilian targets.

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I don't know how much longer Putin will tolerate Joe and Zelensky's provocations...

Who provoked whom?

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Originally posted by Gustofer:

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Originally posted by Greymann:
I don't think for a minute
that Ukraine can defeat Russia.

100,000 dead Russian soldiers might disagree with you.

USSR population - 162 million people in 1937.

Russian casualties during the Winter War 1939-1940 - 126,875 dead or missing, 264,908 wounded and sick

Total casualties 1939-1945 - 8,806,453 dead or missing, 22,610,148 wounded or sick, same source.

How'd that one work out?


Russian population 2021 - 145.6 million.

Ooops. Maybe you're right, they're short a few million compared to last time.

/Looks at watch.

We got a ways to go, though. I guess we'll see what happens.

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Originally posted by Gustofer:
"Liberated"? That would assume that it was their's to begin with. Newsflash - They invaded a sovereign nation.

History is fun. When you say "to begin with," you're stopping at 1991? Wait, how far back do you want to go over slavs slaughtering each other over this piece of land? It's been happening since around 800AD.

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Originally posted by Gustofer:
Who provoked whom?

The "boots on the ground" circlejerk is in the other thread. Besides the guys furiously pounding their meat to Red Dawn and Hunt For Red October, who really gives a flipping shit who started it? This is so very much not our problem, but folks like yourself are going to make it our problem. You're too old to fight, and right around the time this really flares up in WWIII, my son will be just old enough to be drafted. "Boots on the ground" my ass. No. At this point, I don't care if Ukraine has a Russian flag over it by August. I really don't.

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220 Smudge said: You're too old to fight, and right around the time this really flares up in WWIII, my son will be just old enough to be drafted. "Boots on the ground" my ass. No. At this point, I don't care if Ukraine has a Russian flag over it by August. I really don't.

My children are beyond the traditional draft age, my grandchildren won't hit that traditional range for a long time yet so I'm not in a position to protect my own. But I have a deeply held, experiential experience of the crookedness, the wickedness, of the draft.

I also hold the feeling that a lot of the blue and yellow flag wavers in my neck of the north-woods are not only eager to send more dough but perfectly content to conscript other people's kids to fight theis fight that they are willing to shed their tears but not their blood for.

If these people want to impoverish me and themselves for the new Napoleon, I'll vote and speak against it. You want boots on the ground in this version of Ukraine, I'm fine with that too, as long as they are your boots; you know the old saying, Stand up, Buckle up, shuffle to the door, jump right out and shout AirBorne!