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| hello darkness my old friend  |
Damn Monkey... nailed it! | |||
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| Muzzle flash aficionado  |
I am also 79 and recently made a number of air travel flights. I have metal in my lower leg and at my sternum, so I usually get a patting down after going through the various detectors. I can't say I found the process demeaning. flashguy Texan by choice, not accident of birth | |||
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Coin Sniper |
This incident seems to underline a thought that I've had brewing in my head for a while. There seems to be a general nonchalance related to firearms in the last decade or so. Most firearm owners that I know are much like myself. They know exactly where their firearms are at all times, and where they are pointed when they aren't in a safe or holster. It is pretty clear to me that a lot of people are treating their firearms like their cell phone, make up case, reading glasses, or any number of casual items that we carry day to day. What other possible explanation could one have for 'forgetting' your firearm is in your purse, bag, or waistband. Just the other day here a mother left her pistol in the side compartment of her car door while she went in to get a toddler from day care, the child left in the car found it and fired a shot out the window. In the last week, several kids have shot each other or themselves after finding unsecured & loaded firearms in the home, while home unsupervised. Pronoun: His Royal Highness and benevolent Majesty of all he surveys 343 - Never Forget Its better to be Pavlov's dog than Schrodinger's cat There are three types of mistakes; Those you learn from, those you suffer from, and those you don't survive. | |||
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Maybe. I generally use my passport instead of driver license when ID is required. I have not flown internationally for almost 40 years (other than as a pilot, many trips to the Bahamas). Driver license has more information than I might want to give. Passport is fine for ID, does not have residence address. הרחפת שלי מלאה בצלופחים | |||
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His Royal Hiney |
Sounds like the best answer to the situation. "It did not really matter what we expected from life, but rather what life expected from us. We needed to stop asking about the meaning of life, and instead to think of ourselves as those who were being questioned by life – daily and hourly. Our answer must consist not in talk and meditation, but in right action and in right conduct. Life ultimately means taking the responsibility to find the right answer to its problems and to fulfill the tasks which it constantly sets for each individual." Viktor Frankl, Man's Search for Meaning, 1946. | |||
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The One, the Only Mighty Paragon |
So what kind of penalties is she facing? NRA Basic Pistol Instructor NRA Range Safety Officer | |||
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Unhyphenated American |
A reason carrying off of your body is a bad idea. __________________________________________________________________________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Always remember that others may hate you but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them. And then you destroy yourself. Richard M Nixon It's nice to be important, it's more important to be nice. Billy Joe Shaver NRA Life Member | |||
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The worst long-term thing here is she might face being on the "No Fly List", which we've seen is almost impossible to get off of. As far as charges and penalties, I wouldn't know. "If you’re a leader, you lead the way. Not just on the easy ones; you take the tough ones too…” – MAJ Richard D. Winters (1918-2011), E Company, 2nd Battalion, 506th Parachute Infantry Regiment, 101st Airborne "Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil... Therefore, as tongues of fire lick up straw and as dry grass sinks down in the flames, so their roots will decay and their flowers blow away like dust; for they have rejected the law of the Lord Almighty and spurned the word of the Holy One of Israel." - Isaiah 5:20,24 | |||
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There's a reason I never fly with the Ruck that I'm now using as a range bag. Once that gets demoted back to ruck from range bag, I'll clear it out before I take it on trips again. And as far as passport goes, I *always* fly with my passport for ID. It's easier than digging my license out of my wallet. | |||
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Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
Using a passport at the airport does not by itself necessarily indicate an international flight. However, needing to pull out your passport after clearing security (which seems to be the case of the lady in the story) does. ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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| Coin Sniper |
Once she got through security she actually did the right thing. Unfortunately the right thing does at times bring consequences. If her story checks out as true and a simple mistake in haste to get to the airport, the judge may be lenient with her. If you travel a lot, keep separate bags that NEVER contain anything that you can't fly with (guns, ammo, knives, razor blades, etc). If you have limited bags, empty them completely checking every nook & cranny and re-pack the bag checking every item that you re-pack. Pronoun: His Royal Highness and benevolent Majesty of all he surveys 343 - Never Forget Its better to be Pavlov's dog than Schrodinger's cat There are three types of mistakes; Those you learn from, those you suffer from, and those you don't survive. | |||
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Official Space Nerd |
I would say, if you travel at ALL, never mix bags. I wouldn't want them to find powder residue on a carry-on bag. Bags aren't THAT expensive. Fear God and Dread Nought Admiral of the Fleet Sir Jacky Fisher | |||
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| Little ray of sunshine  |
I'm not dumb enough to forget a gun in my purse, but assuming it happened somehow, I sure wouldn't rat myself out. I'd probably quietly leave and stash the gun in my car, or even miss the flight if needed. And yes, TSA fucked it up. The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything. | |||
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| Unhyphenated American |
Last fall, I was getting ready to travel for my job. I hadn't traveled by air for 5 years. Cleaning out my satchel I was going to use, I found a couple rounds of empty brass. I remembered I had taken the satchel to a couple of handgun classes. So, go to WallyWorld for a new backpack. __________________________________________________________________________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Always remember that others may hate you but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them. And then you destroy yourself. Richard M Nixon It's nice to be important, it's more important to be nice. Billy Joe Shaver NRA Life Member | |||
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People who think nothing about carrying a gun? I know someone who did it, didn't even think about it till they were on the plane and realized they'd "snuck' the gun past security without trying. _____________________________________________________ Sliced bread, the greatest thing since the 1911. | |||
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You carry a purse? Your Avatar is confusing me. | |||
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| Official Space Nerd |
I'm not dumb enough to walk out of my house with a loaded firearm anywhere on my person, without knowing it. "Accidentally" carrying a weapon into a security checkpoint is incomprehensible to me. She was absent-minded, at best. Somebody else posted about people being too 'casual' about carrying weapons - I am not one of them. Fear God and Dread Nought Admiral of the Fleet Sir Jacky Fisher | |||
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I was referring to the little ray of sunshine Avatar. | |||
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| Little ray of sunshine |
I meant my hypothetical purse. The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything. | |||
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| I believe in the principle of Due Process  |
I have known several who have had lives or careers if not ruined, severely bruised, over something like this, pistol in a bag used as a carry on. I believe there is a statute now giving protection in some circumstances, a "King's X" if you will, to prevent prosecution. I seem to recall a news report that DFW gets more handguns at checkpoints than any security posts in the country. Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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