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| Be not wise in thine own eyes  |
And 1,678 votes were determined to be fraudulent. But it did not matter as there is no way to determine who the votes went to once they had been cast. Lesson learned illegal votes need to be stopped before the votes are cast. Dino Rossi was ahead until the 3rd and final recount (by hand). New uncounted ballots were found in a box in King county (Seattle). History Link When all 39 counties completed their initial vote count on November 17, 2004, Rossi had a lead of 261 votes, with 1,371,414 to 1,371,153 for Gregoire and 63,346 for Libertarian Ruth Bennett. Because the leading candidates were separated by fewer than 2,000 votes, state law mandated a machine recount. In that count, Rossi gained 1,070 votes but Gregoire gained 1,289 votes, whittling Rossi's lead to only 42 votes. Although Republican Secretary of State Sam Reed (who had easily defeated Democrat Laura Ruderman in his own re-election bid), certified that result on November 30, state law allows any candidate or party to request an additional recount, for which the requestor must pay, with the payment refunded if the recount changes the outcome. The Democrats requested and paid for a manual (hand) recount, which was completed on December 23, 2004. It showed that Gregoire had won by 129 votes, as she picked up another 919 votes, while Rossi's total increased by only 748 votes. The final results were: Gregoire 1,373,361 votes (48.8730 percent); Rossi 1,373,232 votes (48.8685 percent); and Bennett 63,465 votes (2.2585 percent). Reed granted Gregoire a certificate of election, the State Legislature approved the election results, and Gregoire was sworn in as governor on January 12, 2005. “We’re in a situation where we have put together, and you guys did it for our administration…President Obama’s administration before this. We have put together, I think, the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics,” Pres. Select, Joe Biden “Let’s go, Brandon” Kelli Stavast, 2 Oct. 2021 | |||
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| Throwin sparks makin knives  |
Always! Always utilize your rights!!!!!!! | |||
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| That rug really tied the room together.  |
The conveniently mail the ballot right to my house, so its super convenient and easy to vote. No waiting in line for 2 hours. Highly recommend letting them mail you a ballot. ______________________________________________________ Often times a very small man can cast a very large shadow | |||
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Back when I was young and knew everything about everything, I didn't vote. My Dad said that perhaps the fact that he a tens of thousands of others went off to fight in WWII meant nothing. I have voted ever since. Rod "Do not approach a bull from the front, a horse from the rear, or a fool from any direction." John Deacon, Author I asked myself if I was crazy, and we all said no. | |||
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| Fortified with Sleestak |
I consider not voting similar to pacifism. People often go through some mental gymnastics to justify it, but really it's just some combination of cowardice and sloth. If you vote I'm willing to hear any praise or condemnation about our republic you wish. I may or may not agree with you but I don't begrudge you the right to your opinion. If your simple ass can't be bothered to vote I really would rather you keep your fuckin piehole shut. I have the heart of a lion.......and a lifetime ban from the Toronto Zoo.- Unknown | |||
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Being a mass resident as well, I was sure to vote in the red column. As it will make at the very least a ripple on the percentages. When they see a shift, even if your not down with most of the candidates platform, Here in in the commonwealth it’s very important to leave at least a mark to challenge the status quo. Vote vote and vote. | |||
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Honky Lips |
Ok, statistically, no one vote matters and often the time spent voting could be better spent more efficiently to more positively affect your life. and by voting you are giving your consent to be governed, a refusal to vote is also a refusal of that consent. That of course doesn't grant you any real "freedom" from the laws that we live under, however it does define you as a person who's being compelled by force to comply with things, not as someone who's going along with it. | |||
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| Little ray of sunshine  |
What the hell does someone mean when they say their vote doesn't count? Fuckers. The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything. | |||
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| Lawyers, Guns and Money  |
This is the problem with radical libertarians. They are no different than anarchists... which only leads to chaos, tyranny and the destruction of private property rights. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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I'll vote tomorrow, straight GOP ticket regardless of who's on the ballot. Pima County/Tucson is heavy Democrat, a hot bed of "Feel Good" people pissing away taxpayer monies on stupid pet projects and handing out free shit for votes. ********* "Some people are alive today because it's against the law to kill them". | |||
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| Honky Lips |
Attack the argument, please. | |||
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Chip away the stone |
How about by choosing to live where you do you are giving consent to be governed? What's the difference between that and voting as far as giving consent? | |||
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The Joy Maker |
This is the system we live under, if you want some say in how the system is run, you vote. Your only other option is to either ignore The Man, and hope you don't get caught riding dirty, or climb a clock tower. 
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| Honky Lips |
So people born in the eastern bloc were giving their consent, by staying? | |||
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| Lawyers, Guns and Money |
OK
We are ALL governed, to some extent, against our consent. NO ONE agrees with every law. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't support the rule of law in general because the alternative to the rule of law is ONLY the rule of men, or tyranny. There is no such thing as pure freedom. As long as there has been human nature, which is as long as men have walked this planet, some men have attempted to "lord it over" or rule others. The Founding Fathers attempted to change that with the concept of "the rule of law" which was an attempt to have a system of laws which would be applied equally toward all. Furthermore, the administration of the law would not be by a single individual, but a system of checks and balances designed to prevent any one person from gaining too much power. It's not perfect. No political system ever is. But by not participating in a system designed to support the rule of law, you may think you are withholding your consent but what you are really doing is pre-emptively surrendering to those who would "lord it over" you because they are not going away. As Ronald Reagan said: "Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same." NOT participating has the same effect as acquiescence or surrender. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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| His diet consists of black coffee, and sarcasm.  |
Some things are better off not shared. | |||
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| Honky Lips |
You must reject the system entirely or accept it entirely, you don't get to choose what laws you comply with, without consequence. Refusing to play the game at all, is the only other choice you've got. | |||
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| Lawyers, Guns and Money |
Again, you are advocating anarchy. "Radical freedom" means defending yourself and your own property, 24/7, without the assistance of civilized society. It means that "justice is the advantage of the stronger". Can you defend against the jungle of humanity on your own? Are you not better off with at least the attempt at 'ordered liberty' and the protections of a civilized society? "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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| Little ray of sunshine |
As Churchill repeated in parliament from an unknown source: Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time. As to the argument that voting implies consent, perhaps it does. But unless you are going to start throwing bombs in revolt and really get to the business of making change by force, then not voting is pretty much an empty gesture, isn't it? If you aren't willing to go all in on revolution, you may as well try to influence the system with a vote. Like Chellim, I will take a system I don't entirely like over anarchy any day of the week and twice on Sunday. The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything. | |||
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Get Off My Lawn |
 "I’m not going to read Time Magazine, I’m not going to read Newsweek, I’m not going to read any of these magazines; I mean, because they have too much to lose by printing the truth"- Bob Dylan, 1965 | |||
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