We should know more about the Senate’s plan in about an hour.

The Democrats are obviously not going to send the impeachment over to the Senate.
Hubris - Nancy Pelosi Declares The Senate Rules Are Unfair When Rules Become Fair We Will Send Articles

Spotted this this morning.

Can't wait for Trump to become the first president to get re-elected after being impeached!

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Originally posted by HighZonie:
Can someone please explain why the Senate must wait for Nancy to hand them a piece of paper with the Articles of Impeachment before they can begin debate or take any action on this?

They don't need to wait. And that's that.

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Originally posted by kimber1911:

The Democrats are obviously not going to send the impeachment over to the Senate.
Hubris - Nancy Pelosi Declares The Senate Rules Are Unfair When Rules Become Fair We Will Send Articles

Fair trial? These Democrats are anything but American. A trial is required to be fair to the accused, not the accuser, you commie, stalinist pricks.

I have faith in the President and Cocaine Mitch.

So they've been working for two and a half years to impeach the mother f-er at the detriment of passing any legislation. Then they finally achieve their goal and are just going to sit on it.

God I hate these people. Gangsters at least fight with honor, these people will sink to any low to try to hurt PDJT.

At last night's rally in Michigan, President Trump made one of his cringe-worthy comments about the late John Dingell, who was a Michigan congressman for a record 59 years! Dingell passed away in 2015. Trump joked that Dingell might be looking down right now, or "I don't know, maybe he's looking up" to roars of laughter from the crowd.

The U. S. Constitution and its supportive documents make it clear there should be no royalty in America.

Do you know what John Dingell was preceded by his father, John Dingell, Sr., who was elected in 1922? And that he is succeeded by his wife, Debbie Dingell? All told, that's 97 YEARS. The Dingells are so ensconced that the seat they occupy is referred to as "the Dingell Seat."

And you thought the Kennedys were America's royalty!

And for obligatory, snarky photo...

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Originally posted by fpuhan:
At last night's rally in Michigan, President Trump made one of his cringe-worthy comments about the late John Dingell, who was a Michigan congressman for a record 59 years! Dingell passed away in 2015. Trump joked that Dingell might be looking down right now, or "I don't know, maybe he's looking up" to roars of laughter from the crowd.

This is why it's important to know your audience. To people outside the state of Michigan it wouldn't be apparent, but John Dingell was widely admired in this state--even by those on the other side of the aisle. If John Dingell still held that seat I suspect he would have opposed that entire kangaroo impeachment process. He was a man of integrity. Trump could've done worse by taking a shot at Gov. William Milliken, but not by much

Debbie Dingell, OTOH... Let us just say she's not a pimple on her departed husband's ass.

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Originally posted by fpuhan:
At last night's rally in Michigan, President Trump made one of his cringe-worthy comments about the late John Dingell, ...

And I couldn't care less. The man was being impeached at that very moment by an extremely vindictive and hateful Democrat controlled congress. I have no doubt if Dingell were alive and still in Congress, he would've voted right along with the despicable dems. Screw him, his wife, and anyone offended by the President's comments.

Oh damn someone is offended by something Trump said.
Don't we call that just another day or Friday!

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Fair.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
And I couldn't care less. The man was being impeached at that very moment by an extremely vindictive and hateful Democrat controlled congress.

That doesn't change the fact he took a shot at a dead man who, again, was widely-admired in this state by people from both sides of the aisle. It was a tactical blunder, IMO.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
I have no doubt if Dingell were alive and still in Congress, he would've voted right along with the despicable dems.

Which just goes to show you know no more about John Dingell than does Trump.

A comment such as "I didn't know John Dingell, but I know of him. I understand him to have been a man of integrity. If anything, he's probably rolling in his grave at this travesty" would have been far more effective.

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Originally posted by kimber1911:
We should know more about the Senate’s plan in about an hour.

Nope, good speech and all, but didn’t learn anything.

And the beat goes on.

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
I have no doubt if Dingell were alive and still in Congress, he would've voted right along with the despicable dems.

Which just goes to show you know no more about John Dingell than does Trump.

A comment such as "I didn't know John Dingell, but I know of him. I understand him to have been a man of integrity. If anything, he's probably rolling in his grave at this travesty" would have been far more effective.

Oh stop it. He would've voted right along with the party, and you know it.

Like them or hate them. Integrity or not. There is no way in hell that someone should be allowed to hold a seat in Congress for 59 years. Term limits on the House and Senate are sorely needed. Two terms max, just like the president.

Agree with Sandman. Its not an inherited position.
Two terms and out.

Nancy Pelosi’s stomach-turning impeachment charade damages America : Goodwin

https://nypost.com/2019/12/18/...ges-america-goodwin/

It is said there are two things you should never watch being made: sausage and government budgets.

Now we can add impeachment to the list of stomach-turning sights to avoid.

The arcane rules, phony cordiality and debates over the second sentence in paragraph G of Point Six were bad enough, but the nausea meter hit the roof when Nancy Pelosi took the microphone. Wearing a funereal black dress, she stood next to a cardboard American flag and recited the Pledge of Allegiance.

I would have counted her more honest if she had pledged her allegiance to a Democratic donkey.

As the leader of a party that has marinated its mind in unadulterated hatred of President Trump, Pelosi bears unique responsibility for this calamity. She could have stopped it.

Indeed, for months she did. Soon after Democrats took the House in last year’s midterms, the asinine calls for impeaching Trump that began immediately following his 2016 election reached a level she could not ignore.

Publicly and privately, Pelosi repeatedly and wisely said no, arguing it would tear America apart unless there was a bipartisan consensus.

“Impeachment is so divisive to the country that unless there’s something so compelling and overwhelming and bipartisan, I don’t think we should go down that path,” she told the Washington Post in March.

The smart bet was that she expected special counsel Robert Mueller to deliver the goods on collusion that would push the public and members of the GOP into the impeachment camp. Then she would be all in.

But Mueller came up empty, and at first blush, it seemed his finding of no collusion in April would be the end of it. The cloud over Trump was lifted and surely Washington would get back to a normal level of partisanship.

It was not to be, with the end of Mueller only temporarily quieting the Dems’ clamor. By early June, the pressure was growing again, with more than 50 of Pelosi’s members openly agitating for impeachment, and many others in silent agreement. They didn’t have honest cause, just raw hatred.

Still the speaker resisted.

“I don’t think there’s anything more divisive we can do than to impeach a president of the United States, and so you have to handle it with great care,” Pelosi told CNN on June 16. “It has to be about the truth and the facts to take you to whatever decision has to be there. It should by no means be done politically.”

Behind the scenes, the intra-party civil war raged, with the most virulent Trump haters twisting the arms of those who merely disliked him. The latter group included many of the 31 freshman Dems elected in 2018 in districts Trump had carried in 2016.

It is worth noting there is more than a little irony in their victory, which took place during the height of the Russia, Russia, Russia scare. Dems, with the help of a biased media, pointed repeatedly to anonymous leaks suggesting Mueller would reveal Trump to be a traitor, making it the greatest scandal in national history.

It all turned out to be a “bogus narrative,” as Attorney General Bill Barr calls it, but the Trump-traitor narrative was very helpful to Dem candidates at the time. The midterms might have turned out differently had Mueller finished earlier or never been appointed.
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House begins debate on articles of impeachment against President Trump

At any rate, by last Sept. 24, with the 2020 election fast approaching and her icy relationship with Trump now a bonfire, Pelosi suddenly flip-flopped on impeachment. Her ostensible reason centered on the unverified claims of an anonymous whistleblower regarding Trump’s phone call with the president of Ukraine. The call, she was assured by the media and Rep. Adam Schiff, would amount to a smoking gun.

“The actions of the Trump presidency revealed dishonorable facts of betrayal of his oath of office and betrayal of our national security and betrayal of the integrity of our elections,” she declared.

It felt like a fill-in-the-blank speech, one she had on the shelf ready to go as soon as she had an excuse to use it.

Twenty-four hours later, Trump released the transcript of the Ukraine call and it was benign in comparison to her inflammatory accusation. If only Pelosi had waited another day.

But it was too late. Confident that she had the votes now that most if not all of the 2018 winners would be with her, she erased her previous red lines about bipartisanship, took the plunge — and plunged America into a nightmare that continues.

Watching the so-called debate Wednesday, I was struck by how the impeachers, desperate to inflate their base partisan passions into something noble, have cheapened our nation’s history and language.

They resembled Grade B actors performing for the cameras, their rehearsed references to oaths, prayers, the Founding Fathers, the rule of law, checks and balances and the Constitution itself all sounding contrived. Rather than reflecting actual gravitas, the words were trotted out to create the appearance of it.

That was consistent with Pelosi’s latest demand that her members stay “solemn” in public, so as not to give the impression that they were gloating and joyful. In other words, hide how you really feel so we can fool more people into joining us.

Only the damage to America is real.

As pissed off as I am today, I just heard something on the radio that gave me a little perspective. You know who would love to be impeached today? Hillary Clinton.

We won, we're still winning, and we will win again.

And that NY Post headline is perfect. Well done.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
As pissed off as I am today, I just heard something on the radio that gave me a little perspective. You know who would love to be impeached today? Hillary Clinton.

We won, we're still winning, and we will win again.

And that NY Post headline is perfect. Well done.

Thank you for that reminder, I was feeling a little down about what is going on!

News radio this morning is absolutely crowing about this. In breathless, reverent tones delivering all the weight of the Gettysburg address, they use words like “historic,” and “has become only the third President in our history to be impeached.” So plainly laid bare is their agenda now. They had nothing but “we really hate this guy” and they fucking impeached him for it.

I knew they were gonna do it. Half the country and practically the whole Senate told them not to do it. They did it anyways. Somehow, I’m still surprised. If they just want to flip over tables and impotently scream and cry, then alrighty.