Yep.

While the left is hanging "Wet Paint" signs, the right is building houses.

“Shame !!! Speaker Pelosi won’t send Articles Of Impeachment to Senate unless Senate Majority Leader agrees to rules for Senate trial that SHE approves.

Is that extortion or merely a quid pro quo?

It is clearly an abuse of power.” - Victoria Toensing

It clearly is Obstruction of Congress as well.

“The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.”

ARTICLE I, SECTION 3, CLAUSE 6

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Originally posted by kimber1911:
“Shame !!! Speaker Pelosi won’t send Articles Of Impeachment to Senate unless Senate Majority Leader agrees to rules for Senate trial that SHE approves.

Is that extortion or merely a quid pro quo?

It is clearly an abuse of power.” - Victoria Toensing

The Senate doesn’t need no stinkin’ articles of impeachment.

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Is that extortion or merely a quid pro quo?

It is clearly an abuse of power.” - Victoria Toensing

After impeaching Trump for supposed obstruction of House, Pelosi moves to obstruct the Senate

Pelosi said she’ll wait to send over the articles until she finds out how the Senate will conduct the trial, which looks a lot like obstructing the Senate, given that the Constitution clearly states that the Senate has “the sole power to try all [i]mpeachments.” The Constitutional process for impeachment is that the House impeaches and the Senate holds a trial to test the quality of the accusations and the guilt or innocence of the accused. Pelosi apparently wants to control the Senate process from her perch in the House, a power grab that looks a lot like an abuse of power.

What’s crazy about this is that one of the articles of impeachment against the President is that he must be removed from office for the “obstruction of Congress” by asserting his privilege and protecting executive branch communications. If Trump, asserting constitutional privilege as the head of the executive branch, has to be quickly removed from office because he’s not providing a single chamber of Congress what it wants, Pelosi is obstructing the Senate by asserting a privilege to not formally transmit the articles of impeachment to the Senate for trial, and abusing her power by demanding authority that under the Constitution belongs to the Senate, not the Speaker of the House.

6 Reasons Pelosi’s Senate Obstruction Gambit On Impeachment Articles Is A Disaster

If Nancy Pelosi truly thought Democrats had made the case that Donald Trump was an "urgent threat" to America, she wouldn't be refusing to send the articles of impeachment against him to the Senate for a full trial.

https://thefederalist.com/2019...icles-is-a-disaster/

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Alan Dershowitz: 'Unconstitutional' for Pelosi to delay Senate trial on impeachment

Former Harvard Law School Professor Alan Dershowitz wrote on Thursday that he thinks it's "difficult to imagine anything more unconstitutional" than House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., withholding the articles of impeachment against President Trump from a Senate trial.

Dershowitz's comments came in response to Laurence Tribe, another Harvard Law Professor who called for Democrats to delay sending the articles to the Senate -- something Pelosi has already indicated she's willing to do.

"[Tribe] would withhold the trial until the Senate agreed to change its rules, or presumably until a new election put many more Democrats in the Senate. Under his proposal, there might never be a Senate trial, but the impeachment would stand as a final and permanent condemnation of President Trump," Dershowitz wrote in a Newsmax op-ed.

"It is difficult to imagine anything more unconstitutional, more violative of the intention of the Framers, more of a denial of basic due process and civil liberties, more unfair to the president and more likely to increase the current divisiveness among the American people. Put bluntly, it is hard to imagine a worse idea put forward by good people," he added.

Dershowitz has long defended Trump in both the Russia investigation and impeachment. He's already met with Trump personally and reports indicate he may join Trump's legal team during a Senate trial.

It's unclear when Pelosi will send the articles of impeachment to the Senate, but she and Tribe have indicated Senate Republicans would need to stop cooperating so much with the White House.

"Let me tell you what I don't consider a fair trial," Pelosi told a crowd of reporters on Wednesday. "This is what I don't consider a fair trial -- that Leader McConnell has stated that he's not an impartial juror, that he's going to take his cues, in quotes, from the White House, and he is working in total coordination with the White House counsel's office."

Tribe similarly accused Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., of conducting a "whitewash" trial and "letting the president and his legal team call the shots."

On Thursday, Tribe also tweeted that the Senate would violate the constitution if it created a rule demanding Pelosi immediately pass along articles of impeachment.

"Senate rules requiring the House to 'immediately' present its articles of impeachment to the Senate clearly violate the constitutional clause in Article I giving each house the sole power to make its own rules," Tribe tweeted on Wednesday.

"It’s up to the House when and how to prosecute its case in the Senate," he added, just hours before House Democrats voted to approve the two articles of impeachment.

Dershowitz also suggested that Pelosi's and Tribe's position would do "violence" to the rule of law in the United States.

"An impeached president has a right to be tried and acquitted by the Senate," he wrote.

"Denying him and the American people that fundamental right might serve the temporary interests of the Democratic party, and academics who support it, but would do violence to the rule of Constitutional law that is supposed to serve all Americans, regardless of party or ideology."

So this old whore pushed a case for impeachment based of the supposition that Trump violates the constitution by abusing his power and is attempting to violate the constitution by abusing her power? I get that about right?

When do HER impeachment proceedings kick off? Asshole leftist trash!

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Who would you rather teabag? Schiff, Nadler or Pelosi?

They all deserve it, but ya gotta make a choice. Only one, so, choose wisely.

I'm taking this as seriously as it deserves.

Who's it gonna be?

They are getting off easy with a teabagging.

If any of them have my coin sack on their face , its going to be firmly planted on their chin until they puke or pass out.

Fuck them all........

Trump 2020.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by fpuhan:
At last night's rally in Michigan, President Trump made one of his cringe-worthy comments about the late John Dingell, ...

And I couldn't care less. The man was being impeached at that very moment by an extremely vindictive and hateful Democrat controlled congress. I have no doubt if Dingell were alive and still in Congress, he would've voted right along with the despicable dems. Screw him, his wife, and anyone offended by the President's comments.

Exactly!

How many times did the Dingle family dynasty denounce their Demorat party, the msm, the commie pundits, academia, the enterstainment industry, et al, for ALL of their vicious, baseless, ludicrous and outrageous attacks against PDJT, his family, his friends and political allies?!

I am guessing ZERO!

His instincts to pummel, put down, mock, diminish, make fun of and laugh at his enemies, our enemies, has worked to his and our advantage!

yootoob -

#TrumpTheEstablishment

Chad Pergram:

Hoyer announces no more votes until January 7.

Big cheer goes up in House chamber. This means the House won't approve a resolution on impeachment mgrs & to send impeachment pkg to Senate until at least January, 2020

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Originally posted by sdy:
Chad Pergram:

Hoyer announces no more votes until January 7.

Big cheer goes up in House chamber. This means the House won't approve a resolution on impeachment mgrs & to send impeachment pkg to Senate until at least January, 2020

Is that good?

I seem to recall something about the accused having a right to a speedy trial in the 6th Amendment of the Bill Of Rights:

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy trial". The Clause protects the defendant from delay between the presentation of the indictment or similar charging instrument and the beginning of trial.

But I guess just like all the other parts of the Constitution and Bill of Rights, the Dims are throwing that out too.

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Originally posted by jsbcody:
I seem to recall something about the accused having a right to a speedy trial in the 6th Amendment of the Bill Of Rights:

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy trial". The Clause protects the defendant from delay between the presentation of the indictment or similar charging instrument and the beginning of trial.

But I guess just like all the other parts of the Constitution and Bill of Rights, the Dims are throwing that out too.

This is not a criminal prosecution. This has nothing to do with the 6th amendment.

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Originally posted by jsbcody:
I seem to recall something about the accused having a right to a speedy trial in the 6th Amendment of the Bill Of Rights:

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy trial". The Clause protects the defendant from delay between the presentation of the indictment or similar charging instrument and the beginning of trial.

But I guess just like all the other parts of the Constitution and Bill of Rights, the Dims are throwing that out too.

Impeachment is not a "criminal" trial, it is a "political" trial (by intent) and does not fall under those rules.

However, even though "political" it was never intended to be "partisan"--supported only by one party. This event has failed the intent grossly.

flashguy

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

quote:

Originally posted by jsbcody:
I seem to recall something about the accused having a right to a speedy trial in the 6th Amendment of the Bill Of Rights:

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy trial". The Clause protects the defendant from delay between the presentation of the indictment or similar charging instrument and the beginning of trial.

But I guess just like all the other parts of the Constitution and Bill of Rights, the Dims are throwing that out too.

This is not a criminal prosecution. This has nothing to do with the 6th amendment.

Well I guess we are in uncharted waters. Will the courts intervene? Or can the Senate just tell the House to fuck off? We aren't playing your games. Or is this going to be a Mexican standoff?

The House is obstructing the Senate while holding the President politically hostage..

They are attempting to create as much chaos as possible in the country.

What does it matter? None of this will result in the removal of President Trump from office. Pelosi can send it, not send it, shove it up her ass, whatever. Doesn't matter.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
What does it matter? None of this will result in the removal of President Trump from office. Pelosi can send it, not send it, shove it up her ass, whatever. Doesn't matter.

Well, if those are the choices, I vote for shoving it up her ass.

I'm not going to believe for one minute that Pelosi and her cadre aren't 100% aware of every rule and law related to the impeachment process.

The Democrats have been on this path since Trump won the election. I have to think there is a larger strategy at work here. They've controlled every step. This is a series of chess moves not a bunch of blunders and mistakes out of overconfidence.

The question is, what is it. What are they really up to?

“Engage people with what they expect; it is what they are able to discern and confirms their projections. It settles them into predictable patterns of response, occupying their minds while you wait for the extraordinary moment — that which they cannot anticipate.” – Sun Tzu


“The whole secret lies in confusing the enemy, so that he cannot fathom our real intent.” – Sun Tzu

“Rouse him, and learn the principle of his activity or inactivity. Force him to reveal himself, so as to find out his vulnerable spots.” – Sun Tzu

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Originally posted by Rightwire:
I'm not going to believe for one minute that Pelosi and her cadre aren't 100% aware of every rule and law related to the impeachment process.

Go back 1 page and watch Pelosi try to answer the 1st question- It's about the Impeachment. Starts about 11:40

https://youtu.be/uqjShPmUJQA?t=698

She sounds clueless. Doesn't even know what it's called.

I just finished reading the last five pages of this thread (again), replete with all the speculation and opinions of constitutional scholars, other attorneys, and talking heads, and when you filter it all to its very essence, you get to the same singular and overwhelming reality...the Dem's are totally screwed. Send the articles now, hold them to later, or don't send them at all, and the Dem's prove to everyone watching that all of this was total BS. All of us should rejoice in the reality that no matter what the Dem's do or don't do from this point forward, they can only make an exceptionally bad situation worse. This outcome is just delicious.

For all SF members who have a Democrat Representative in Congress, I strongly recommend contacting that Congressman with a note of your thoughts on the impeachment process and their vote.

Contact your representative here. Put in your zip code at the search box and you will be directed to the Congressman's website where you can directly e-mail your thoughts.

CONTACT LINK > https://www.house.gov/represen...-your-representative

Click on your representative's name which is under his/her photo. You will go to the homepage.

It won't change anything, except perhaps the Congressman's realization that he or she will be totally screwed in the next election. This may precipitate a backing off from following Pelosi's lemmings further.