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So has Trump signed the bill or not?
Anyone know which Senators voted yah on the bill.
 
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So has Trump signed the bill or not?
Anyone know which Senators voted yah on the bill.


Here's the Senate vote on the bill:
https://www.senate.gov/legisla...session=1&vote=00026




The emergency declaration is being live streamed - it hasn't started yet, you can watch here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFIcGqjkORk



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To relieve the concern that William Barr is married to Hillary Clinton Smile

 
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William Barr is a good choice. Smile

Unfortunately, with this $1 trillion spending bill, there is no good choice. Mad

The really insulting thing is yet again, an 1,100+ page monstrosity is somehow cobbled together in record time and the President only has 36 hours to read it? Total bullshit. If I were Trump, I would publicly announce my indignation over this, tell Congress that I'm going to take my time to read the bill page by page and cross out everything in it that I do not like and then send it back to the originator. Use your veto power, Mr. President. If the Dems and GOP the vote to override your veto, which is in fact the will of the people, then that will send a message to all of us about how DC is completely out of touch and out of control.

I stand by the President 100%. He's in a horrendous situation with one party that wants to destroy us from the front and his own party from his rear. I don't think he should play by their rules which would make him lose face and perhaps political clout with the electorate - exactly what they want. What he an do is force them all to own this, and that is by exposing the bill via the veto pen.

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5 Reasons Trump Should Not Sign Massively Flawed Omnibus Bill

The omnibus bill that President Donald Trump is reportedly set to sign contains multiple serious flaws that will devastate his agenda on immigration if he signs the bill into law.

The Daily Wire's Josh Hammer writes that "Trump knows, notwithstanding the fact this amnesty capitulation reveals the shallowness of this White House's alleged commitment to enacting its immigration priorities, that he will be able to fire off a few tweets blaming Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi and thereby keep his base mostly in line."

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell announced on Thursday that Trump intended to sign the bill and declare a national emergency at the same time, to which Hammer adds: "Even outside an emergency declaration, the President can also simultaneously invoke authority, pursuant to 10 U.S.C. § 284, to build already-authorized fencing in order to combat the transnational cartels' drug trafficking."

Five provisions in the bill, as noted by Conservative Review, provide sufficient reason for Trump to veto the bill.

1. The Bill Allows Mexican Cartel-Connected Texas Counties to Stop Border Wall:

A key provision in the spending bill being presented to President Trump for signing stipulates that the federal government give specific Texas border counties the opportunity to derail any efforts to build barriers, fencing, or walls by simply opposing the construction of the border security measures–but many of the specified counties have a long and recent history of top officials taking bribes from the Mexican Gulf Cartel. Ultimately, the bill allows county offices with historic ties to the Gulf Cartel to stop U.S. border barriers from being constructed in the region.

Local government officials spoke out against the building of additional border barriers and have relied on the judgment of local law enforcement officials. As Breitbart News reported, the bill being presented to President Trump has a stipulation that would require the approval of local governments in order to move forward with the construction of any border barriers. However, the three counties where the border barriers were expected to be built are Starr, Hidalgo, and Cameron–three counties that in the less than 20 years have seen five sheriffs and numerous top law enforcement officials sent to prison for receiving bribes from the Mexican Gulf Cartel, or other acts of public corruption.

Read the full report from Brandon Darby and Ildefonso Ortiz here.

2. The Bill Gives Protections To Illegal Aliens Who Sponsor Unaccompanied Minors:

One measure within the bill would prohibit DHS from detaining or deporting a sponsor, potential sponsor, or household member of an unaccompanied minor based on information shared with HHS.

The exemption does not apply to sponsors with felony convictions or charges. Similarly, it does not apply to people linked to businesses that employ minors for less than a legal wage, or that involve prostitution.

Democrats have pushed for such protections to ensure that sponsors who step forward to claim unaccompanied children will not face the threat of arrest and deportation, but immigration hawks say it’s a free pass for undocumented immigrants.

Jessica Vaughan, a policy director with the restrictionist Center for Immigration Studies, said in a tweet Thursday morning that the provision amounted to “de facto sanctuary for anyone near" an unaccompanied minor.

Read the full report from Ted Hesson here.

3. Local Leftist Politicians Will Have The Power To Veto Wall Construction:

Unbelievably, the bill also provides largely Left-leaning local public officials in Texas's Rio Grande Valley with unilateral vetoes over the meager amounts of wall funding that the bill even authorizes. Section 232(a) of this bill states that "prior to use of any funds made available by this Act for the construction of physical barriers," the Department of Homeland Security "shall confer and seek to reach mutual agreement regarding the design and alignment of physical barriers within that city." The bill then specifies that it is "local elected officials" with whom the Department of Homeland Security must consult. Crucially, the bill actually only authorizes fencing for the Customs and Border Protection-designated Rio Grande Valley sector. But the Texas border counties in the Rio Grande Valley sector are generally heavily Democrat-leaning; as Daniel Horowitz laments, "These are the most liberal counties on the border (thanks to demographics of open borders itself!), and there is practically no local official who supports the wall in these counties."

Read the full report from Josh Hammer here.


4. Less Of A Wall Than Even Democrats Already Agreed To:

Trump originally demanded $25 billion for the wall. Then he negotiated himself down to $5.6 billion. Democrats balked and only agreed to $1.6 billion. This bill calls it a day at $1.375 billion, enough to construct 55 miles. But it’s worse than that. This bill limits the president’s ability to construct “barriers” to just the Rio Grande Valley sector and only bollard fencing, not concrete walls of any kind. There’s no ability to adapt. Furthermore, section 231 prohibits construction even within the RGV in five locations that are either federal or state lands. Remember, the challenge with building a wall in Texas is that, unlike in other states, the feds need to navigate issues with private lands. The first place you’d construct fencing is on public lands, which are now prohibited. The national parks along the border have gotten so bad that park rangers are scared to travel alone in them.

Read the full report from Daniel Horowitz here.

5. The Bill Does Not Provide Funding For Needed Hires At ICE And CBP, Limits Detention Ability:

Fox News reports:

But in an attempt to pressure the agency to detain fewer illegal immigrants, Democrats ensured that the bill did not include funding for the 2,000 additional ICE agents requested by the Trump administration, or the 750 Border Patrol agents that were also sought.


CNN reports:

The bill includes funding for an average 45,274 detentions beds per day, with the intent to return to 40,520 by the end of the fiscal year, which is the level funded in the last fiscal year, but short of the administration's request of 52,000 detention beds.

https://www.dailywire.com/news...sively-ryan-saavedra



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Trump To Declare Border Emergency, Redirect Up To $8 Billion For New Barrier

President Trump is set to announce that he is declaring a national emergency at the U.S.-Mexico border, and he will redirect up to $8 billion in federal money to build a border barrier to keep foreigners from illegally entering the country.

While Democrats are expected to fight the move — and likely will seek to halt the plan via court or congressional action — Trump will declare that, as president, he has unilateral authority to redirect federal funds in order to stem a crisis.

The National Emergencies Act of 1976 says the president "has available certain powers that may be exercised in the event that the nation is threatened by crisis, exigency, or emergency circumstances (other than natural disasters, war, or near-war situations)," the Congressional Research Service says.

A senior White House official who spoke on condition of anonymity said such emergencies have been declared 58 times, and 31 are still in effect. The money for the border barrier is simply being "reprogrammed to other uses."

As for whether Trump's move opens a Pandora's box, the official said, "It actually creates no precedent." While House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) has asserted that such an emergency declaration would make it possible for a Democratic president to declare gun violence a "national emergency," the official said, "that is totally false."

The official said the newly redirected money will allow Trump to move forward on his plan to build 234 miles of border barrier — the full length Trump initially proposed. "We think that is vital to secure the border."

The money Trump plans to use for his border barrier, which he has been promising since his campaign days, includes $1.375 billion that is included in a spending bill he will sign in the Rose Garden ceremony; $600 million from the Treasury Department’s drug Forfeiture Fund, money seized by the U.S. government; $2.5 billion from a Defense Department drug interdiction program; and $3.5 billion from a military construction budget, the official said.

And the official said the nearly $8 billion to be drawn from other government accounts may grow. "We continue to look for pots of money that can be used."

Asked whether Trump's move is an "end run" around Congress, the official said: "Yes, this does technically go beyond the appropriations bill." But the official said that while Trump is going "outside of the ordinary process," that's exactly why the emergency power exists.

The White House on Thursday confirmed that the president will sign an emergency order allowing him to make the move. "President Trump will sign the government funding bill, and as he has stated before, he will also take other executive action — including a national emergency — to ensure we stop the national security and humanitarian crisis at the border. The President is once again delivering on his promise to build the wall, protect the border, and secure our great country," Press Secretary Sarah Sanders said.

Pelosi called the move an "end-run around the will of the people," adding, "We will review our options, we'll be prepared to respond appropriately to it."

"It’s important to note that when President Trump declares this emergency, first of all, it’s not an emergency," Pelosi said. "The precedent that the president is setting here is something that should be met with great unease and dismay by the Republicans."

But Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said on Thursday he is "going to support the national emergency declaration," although Congress has no say in the matter anyway.

https://www.dailywire.com/news...ency-can-joseph-curl



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Another classic Trump press conference. Smile

He sure loves giving these reporters hell.


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Having the angel mom’s there was a good plan too.
 
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Would someone tell Anne Coulter to stuff a sock in it already, FFS? Roll Eyes

Just go away already your 15 minutes was up years ago, lady!

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Conservative political commentator and author Ann Coulter railed against President Trump on Thursday night as he prepared to declare a national emergency to build his border wall, tweeting that such a move was intended to “scam the stupidest people in his base.”

Coulter, a confidant of Trump who turned against him last month after his surprising move to reopen government without any border funds, quote-tweeted Conservative Review senior editor Daniel Horowitz’s post that “the goal of a national emergency is to end illegal immigration and cartel smuggling.”

Horowitz wrote that 100 to 200 miles of fencing “will not do” and that unaccompanied minors “will come anywhere including points of entry and not only get amnesty for themselves but for those here.”

Coulter disagreed.

“No, the goal of a national emergency is for Trump to scam the stupidest people in his base for 2 more years,” she tweeted.


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Liberal heads are exploding on The Hill.

They assumed that signing this bill would preclude Trump's declaration and now they see it didn't, he's just lawless and being a dictator deserving to be thrown out.

Not one person who hates Trump can articulate the legal path to his statutory authority and how he's circumventing Congress.

It's just another day to display their TDS.
 
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Would someone tell Anne Coulter to stuff a sock in it already, FFS? Roll Eyes

Just go away already your 15 minutes was up years ago, lady!



No kidding. She really needs to shut her stupid hole. She's become beyond intolerable with this crap, as if there is a single other person on this planet who could've done as much as Trump on the matter of border security. Annoying, singleminded bitch.


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A site step back to the SOTU but the reactions are genuine and honest.





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Gotta be top ten of tweets from the president Big Grin Big Grin



Video here:



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that video is good.

interesting set of hurting people
 
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interesting set of hurting people

Romney as bad as any Democrat...



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No matter how much I dislike someone I will not let them turn me into a snotty petulant child. If those people knew better they'd be ashamed. If they knew better.
 
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Enforcement is a function of the Administrative Branch.


Umm ..., the Executive Branch, perhaps?
Yeah. Sorry. I do know better.

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If those people knew better they'd be ashamed


Shame is dead. Have you not noticed ?
 
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Romney and the other GOP members upset about this need to face the reality that it was already prison rules. I'm glad we finally have someone on our side who realizes that and is doing what needs to be done.
 
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The Dems look like they realize that they are losing, and understand that they just cannot compete with Trump.


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Romney is pitiful. He could barely muster a clap for President Tump. Swamp creature to be sure.
 
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