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I'm not a Harley Hater, nor do I buy everything in this video, though I do agree with parts of it. However, I was really impressed at the quality of the video, shot by non-professionals and rendered on a PC for YouTube. Really impressive work. ----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter | ||
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Fortnine has a pretty good & amusing channel. Haven't watched this one yet, showed up in my YT watch list this morning. The Enemy's gate is down. | |||
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Great vid/info. Thx for posting it. "Someday I hope to be half the man my bird-dog thinks I am." FBLM LGB! | |||
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There are lots of good points made in this video. Personally, I believe that motorcycle ridership in general is sharply on the decline and the reason is specifically because of distracted driving. It seems like the most important vehicle aspect nowadays is it’s “infotainment system,” and people are paying less and less attention to driving. The accidents caused by distracted driving aren’t likely to be fatal to another car driver in most situations, but the same cannot be said of a motorcycle rider. I know of several, formerly very passionate, motorcycle riders that don’t ride anymore because of all the distracted driving. Perhaps millennials really are killing Harley Davidson, but not because they aren’t riding HD, but because they (and in fairness many other drivers) can’t take their eyes off their smartphone and pay attention to the damn road? “It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.” | |||
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I wanted to try out the H-D Pan America. So I could buy / ride American. Not obtainable. Still shown on the H-D website but it also says not currently available. Looks like a GS BMW will be my next new bike. And I am H-Ds demographic, apparently! End of Earth: 2 Miles Upper Peninsula: 4 Miles | |||
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I watched it this morning, and while it is well produced and does a decent job outlining some of the company's challenges (albeit with a strongly negative bias), it also glosses over the fact that H-D has over 50 percent market share in the US for over 800cc bikes. What does this mean? It means that H-D style bikes are overwhelmingly what the majority of US motorcycle riders want. The criticism reminds me of the whine and cheese car magazines that have for decades berated American drivers for buying pickup trucks and SUVs instead of the sophisticated driving machines that the magazine writers prefer. | |||
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Millennials aren't riding because they can't text while they are doing it. _____________________ Be careful what you tolerate. You are teaching people how to treat you. | |||
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So very true, I sold my Bagger because I am not allowed to shoot the assholes ! | |||
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I'm not going to debate what American riders want anymore because I'm no longer riding. However, the financial aspects noted in the piece are both accurate and very stark for HD. I watched with great interest HD roll out their Livewire and fail spectacularly with it. It is no longer debatable that HD needs a new product line (or lines) to expand the company. What that is or might be, I have no idea, but I do hope they find it. I'd personally like to see HD survive well into the future given they are an American icon (regardless what anyone personally thinks of them). ----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter | |||
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He mentioned that Harley had over 50% or sales in the U.S. | |||
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Damn good video. Thanks for posting it. Since 1968, I have owned three Harley's. The latest, a 2014 FXDL Dyna Low Rider was a good machine. The HD dealerships, not so. I saw greedy sales managers, condescending parts/accessory people, inept technicians charging $125 service rate and snobbish HOG chapter folks who dress like Caribbean Pirates. Not forgetting the overpriced cheap Chinese doodads and $60 HD T-shirts. Is Harley dying? Don't know and don't care. I'm on a BMW now. ********* "Some people are alive today because it's against the law to kill them". | |||
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A friend in the Southern Tier of NY tells me all local dealers, Japanese and HD have closed because the young folks aren't riding. They aren't buying bikes. Up there it is more than just the cell phone. Riders have been out here this Winter passed in 10 degree weather. The Indian dealer has done quite well. Im told the Victory may be coming back. I bet in 1 weekend I see 2,000 bikes pass by the Market and even more out on the interstate. The trikes and Slingshots are seen a lot here. One HD which came to the Market this weekend was one of the nicest Harleys I've ever seen. It was a tenth mile away, uphill from my position and I could still feel the floor vibration. Bitchin bike. I still like the Indian more. | |||
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I too, wanted a Pan America. I would have been willing to deal with the first year/model issues. After all, HD hasn't built a dirt capable bike for decades. I went with a 2019 Honda Africa Twin instead. YooperSigs, compare the GS to the 2020 Africa Twin CRF1100, I think Honda is closing the gap. | |||
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Harley has failed to attract new riders because they work very very hard to build bikes that only their base wants to buy. Now that those riders are aging out of the market, they are having trouble selling expensive bikes to millenials with small budgets. Also, HD has managed to kill just about everything even remotely innovative, i.e. Buell, and they've failed to grasp that most of the planet doesn't embrace a 1,400 CC 900# bagger as a daily mode of transportation. The Japanese, German, and Italian brands can be found in every corner of the planet, which is a better long term strategy than pumping out FLHTC's as fast as the rubs can buy them. _____________________________ 'I'm pretty fly for a white guy'. | |||
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I have nothing to say to your reply. I didn’t read it. I’m replying as to the fact that you separated your post and sig with HR between []. You sir, with the longest sig ever... you effing rock. The “lol” thread | |||
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Not true, Apple CarPlay lets me text while on my Street Glide Special. Just make sure you have a good headset. A few Sigs and some others | |||
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Actually I can do that too mk. I just don't. I do use the phone function though sometimes. _____________________ Be careful what you tolerate. You are teaching people how to treat you. | |||
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Thanks for the Africa Twin info! End of Earth: 2 Miles Upper Peninsula: 4 Miles | |||
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Harleys sales decline is far outpacing the decline in ridership. | |||
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I had three motorcycles at one time...rode them all as often as I could. Commuted 365 days a year in PA winters. I sold them all... Too dangerous out there. Drivers are just too damn distracted. Even on a nice Saturday drive, it's just too congested with assholes. _____________________________ Pledge allegiance or pack your bag! The problem with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money. - Margaret Thatcher Spread my work ethic, not my wealth | |||
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