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Manager should be fired. Pronto! WB should make a big splash about canning this sack of .... so other WB mgrs. can note what happens when this type of nonsense happens so it won't happen again, unless this is a mgrs way of leaving... | |||
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Friendswood is pretty well to do, so it could be a person of almost any sort involved. There is no basis to believe the person was black or hispanic. Either is certainly possible in Houston, as is white or Asian - this city has lots of different kinds of people. But that isn't the point. The point is that there are almost no facts in this story that are very helpful in determining why this clerk and/or manager refused to serve the cop. All we can make are inferences. Some see a dumb clerk who didn't understand the policy of Whataburger. Some see a Whataburger that must be anti-gun because they don't better train their employees, and have a policy of prohibiting open carry for non-cops. Some see a social justice warrior taking it on himself to crusade against guns. Some see a clerk with a dislike of cops. Everyone sees what it suits them to see - based on very little evidence. I gave my guess, called it a guess, and said "but you never know." I don't see clearly, and allowed that there were alternate explanations. But lots of other people are absolutely sure they know exactly what happened. All I see clearly is that some observers allow their own preconceptions to lead them to jump to a conclusion. The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything. | |||
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I saw a representative of a private business refusing a citizen service based on his exercising a constitutional right. I'd still like to know why that is allowed. We don't allow segregated services in any other way to my knowledge. You’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier | |||
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Generally speaking your Constitutional rights are protections against the government, not private parties. Should Whataburger allow free speech on their properties? If the KKK wants to hold a rally there Whataburger should sit back and allow it? The other thread where the FBI agent shot a guy on the dance floor. What if that establishment had a no gun policy (which most places that serve alcohol do) and prevented him from entering with it? Seems like a pretty good idea considering what happened. No? The part I have a problem with is the different treatment between certain categories of people. Why can one person have a gun, but another can not? | |||
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In addition to what a1abdj said, 5th Amendment protects our property rights. Whataburger's property rights appear to conflict with the 2d amendment right to have guns, but they don't really. As a1abdj says, the amendments protects us (mostly) against the government, not other citizens. So Whataburger can say no open carry if it likes, just as you can disallow KKK rallies on your front lawn. As we often say, your rights end at my nose, or in this case, in Whataburger's privately owned restaurants. It is unfortunate that the 14th amendment has been tortured out of recognition to allow the government to restrict certain kinds of discrimination by private citizens and property owners. Lincoln and the congress didn't intend that, and that law is wrong. While it would be unfortunate if they did so discriminate, the law should not prohibit private property owners from discriminating against whoever it suits them. Saying that the 2d trumps the 5th on some equal protection ground (or any other ground) wouldn't be right either. Don't be like a lefty and distort the law to get a result you like. The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything. | |||
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Where rights clash, are mutually exclusive, there is some sort of compromise. Texas has long been enthusiastic about property rights. We try to avoid telling property owners what they can or must do on their own property. There are apparently no “rights” one can exercise without limitations. Maybe you can think of one. Depending on the rights, and the clashes, various compromises have been reached. Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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What if property rights and civil rights clash? You’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier | |||
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I lived in Pearland, the town bordering Friendswood, on its western border for over 30 yrs. Both towns have been overwhelmingly conservative for many years. For the last 10 years, As The behemoth Houston has continued to expand, Both Friendswood and Pearland experienced phenominal growth. With this growth has come a large number of residents from Houston who don’t share conservative philosophy. Both small towns have seen a rapid increase in crime rate. I’m not surprised that a person with an anti police bias found their way into a job where they could express their bias. I onc planned to retire in Pearland but left for the Hill Country because of the changing culture in the area. | |||
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A compromise is worked out, one way or the other. That is what the carry law in Texas is, a compromise between the perceived rights of property owners, and firearm carriers. Each state has a compromise to adjust what it perceives as the needs of various interests. Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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I wasn't referring to weapons carry, but rather the somewhat new culture of disrespecting and/or denigrating LEO's simply because they exist. It was very rare years ago, at least where I've lived, to see 'anyone' treat officers the way we've seen them treated of late. The gun hanging from their side is simply a new excuse for 'some' people to behave inexcusably. ----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter | |||
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I don't think it's new among some of the types that are generally employed by restaurants. | |||
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There is a Whataburger in Houston I go to with a female employee that goes around asking to and giving customers hugs whenever I'm there. | |||
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And 'compromise' is the first thing to go out the window with today's leftists. I've walked up to businesses in the past that prohibited firearms carry inside, and simply turned and walked away. Their business, their rules. If that policy is more important than my patronage, so be it. At least from a cursory review, Whataburger's firearms policy seems rather straightforward in that they don't want open carry in their stores, but make an exception for LE. How this particular incident occurred, short of SJW nonsense, is beyond me. ----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter | |||
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Yet here in Florida, we almost never heard of such nonsense (outside of the 'hood') over the 50+ years I've been here. Heck, most of the restaurants around me today openly welcome LE patronage, and treat them very respectfully. ----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter | |||
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What is that so-and-so’s razor..... “never blame on intentional conduct that which is otherwise adequately explained by stupidity, ignorance or neglect?” Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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| Little ray of sunshine |
See my comments about this question in the post two above yours. I think those "civil rights" and "equal protection" cases and laws came out wrong. The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything. | |||
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Florida has never had a restaurant employee tamper with an officer's food? That has been an issue going back decades, and why if I was an officer, I would never eat somewhere where I couldn't watch them prepare my food. | |||
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Again, maybe I'm living in a bubble here in Central Florida, but prior to the past 10 years, no, we haven't really seen the open hatred toward LEO's simply because they exist. ----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter | |||
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Perhaps, but the policy is so straightforward it would seem to take a monumental simpleton to screw it up. ----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter | |||
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In the case of civil rights I've only seen it worked out one way.......and rightfully so. In the case of 2a it seems to get compromised the other way. That inconsistency is troublesome. You’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier | |||
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