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Time will tell. Just remember, you heard it here first.
John Roberts was supposed to be wonderful also.


Shit, I see what you mean. I was so hoping for another Sotomoyer, but instead have to settle for a guy that the left calls a Second Amendment extremist.

What the hell were we thinking? :roll eyes:

This is like anything else, and a lefty mentality. Everything is fine, and until the announcement of candidacy "they're all good picks". Once the pick is made, the candidate is the devil. Some people just don't like him for whatever reason. The naysayers come out and they are "nervous". They are convinced that they are a much better President than the President. Some much so that they are "disappointed" in DJ. Everybody is looking for a sign to read into something that isn't there. Likely it is the same type of bunch that were stalking the candidates yesterday trying to desperately be "right" before we actually knew anything. Give me a break. People bitch about Sotomoyer, Kagen, and Ginsburg legislating from the bench. And now, the other side is bitching because Trump picked a guy that will follow the Constitution, regardless of how that leads. And we're pissed about it. Basically, angry because they guy won't legislate from the bench.

Guess what? Just like before the announcement, they are all good picks.




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So, who has a better way to select? DJT’s list of 25 came out during the campaign, and he used the Federalist Scoiety to vet them, not the ACLU.

What is your recommendation? There is no way to read minds, but you can read all their opinions and dissents. No way you can ever agree 100% with the wide and varied decisions a judge has to make - but this pick seems pretty good. Particularly on 2A issues, which is my #1 issue that I’d like the SCOTUS to rule on



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He’ll be fine, President Trump has a pretty damn good track record.


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I hope the hearings don't run into the wee hours like Clarence Thomas's 2nd round with Anita Hill did. I watched the whole thing.
 
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Can I be allowed to have some... question... about whether Trump is making the best decision here?
You can question it 'til the cows come home but it won't make a bit of difference, The choice is made, and "questioning" the choice puts you in the company of the left.

But, knock yourself out if it makes you feel better.


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The never Trumpers and the never happy crowd pretending to be conservatives sure gets old! I trust the Man knows exactly what he's doing. MAGA!
 
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I just don't get it. What is the point of the second-guessing? Truly, I do not get it. It's depressing that some people who are supposedly on the right do this crap. It floors me, really, it does. I can't understand the mindset.

The decision is made and that's that. What in the world does questioning President Trump's choice accomplish?


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I will say without fear of contradiction that once confirmed, before he is retired or dies, Kavanaugh will disappoint many of you, maybe all of you, over something.

Cases are at the Supreme Court because they are close questions involving important principles in conflict. All the easy calls are dealt within lower courts, if they get to court at all. Even Justices of the same “political” bent frequently disagree, on the outcome, on the Constitutional rationale, or both.

He will make some calls you like, and likely some you don’t. He will write, in ways you will not aprove of, thoughts you are uncomfortable with, those who take time to read and understand them. This is the deserved fate of purists. Very few are familiar with the unique language of Court proceedings, why some cases are disposed of as they are, the nuances of appellate procedures. Many lawyers aren’t.

What you hope for is what we got, a very smart person with respectable experience, showing devotion to the ideals of the American Constitution, and to interpretation accordingly.




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Come on guys, don’t get trolled by the leftist media. They are trying to con you into believing they like the pick so you’ll doubt President Trump. That way, they figure you’ll be weary of anything he does in the future too. It’s a PSYOP if I’ve ever seen one.


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Yes, all the uproar is particular to this nomination, based on the candidates background.




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Posts: 8295 | Location: in the red zone of the blue state, CT | Registered: October 15, 2008Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Well, it's true that there is absolutely no practical point in questioning the pick. None.

I hope that he ends up appointed to the court, and turns out great.


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Kavanaugh is an outstanding pick. Of course he was associated witht he Bushes. If you were a conservative or a Republican in the government during the Bush era, you were associated with the Bushes. You didn't have a choice. You couldn't sit out those years and wait for a "real" conservative president. If you wanted to advance, you participated. That's not a negative. Any reading of Kavanaugh's numerous opinions will tell you he's not a Bush conservative.

As an aside, I am hoping that once he gets confirmed, SCOTUS will start taking up some 2A cases again. Kavanaugh is definitely in the Scalia mold on those cases.

We should be celebrating this pick. Trump made a great choice.
 
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Wait a sec. Am I to believe that anybody who even shook Bush's hand is now tainted for life? Gimme a break.

I don't like some things Bush did. The one thing he did do that was fantastic was keep Al Gore out of the big chair. You think Gore would have chosen a better conservative than Roberts after Rehnquist croaked? Have a little perspective.



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Just curious, what decision besides the infamous "Obamacare mandate is a tax" nonsense has Roberts decided on that we all hate him for?


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It amazes me still that you guys continue to panic of EVERYTHING.

Donald Trump is a horrible guy, he could never be President. Stormy Daniels, he's done for sure. Russian collusion, he'll never survive. They are going to impeach him! Imposing tariffs will be the end of the US economy. He'll never meet with a dictator. He could never broker a deal. If 3 Presidents couldn't get Americans back from NK, how could he? OMG, he said grab her by the pussy! (as if you guys never said anything like that...) The list goes on.

After picking Neil Gorsuch, why would you even question his choice this time?

Donald Trump has CONTINUALLY been right, successful, and done things we couldn't have imagined were possible. Sit back and enjoy the ride. I'm honestly sick of reading your ignorant comments.


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I will say without fear of contradiction that once confirmed, before he is retired or dies, Kavanaugh will disappoint many of you, maybe all of you, over something.

Cases are at the Supreme Court because they are close questions involving important principles in conflict. All the easy calls are dealt within lower courts, if they get to court at all. Even Justices of the same “political” bent frequently disagree, on the outcome, on the Constitutional rationale, or both.

He will make some calls you like, and likely some you don’t. He will write, in ways you will not aprove of, thoughts you are uncomfortable with, those who take time to read and understand them. This is the deserved fate of purists. Very few are familiar with the unique language of Court proceedings, why some cases are disposed of as they are, the nuances of appellate procedures. Many lawyers aren’t.

What you hope for is what we got, a very smart person with respectable experience, showing devotion to the ideals of the American Constitution, and to interpretation accordingly.


Well said, Jim.




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Yes, all the uproar is particular to this nomination, based on the candidates background.



That bullshit above is why I will never give an honest fuck about leftist objections on this issue. Dishonest crybabies upset that their Harry Reid dirty tricks are about to be used on them. Boo fuckin hoo. I hope the Kavanaugh confirmation gets rammed down their throats with stank on it.
 
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Kavanaugh is a swampy selection. His wife was the secretary of George W Bush. Kavanaugh recommended John Roberts for the Supreme Court. Kavanaugh is a swamp creature.

Yes, and we would be SOOOOOOOOO much better off with a Justice selected by Hillary. Roll Eyes



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Kavanaugh has over 300 written opinions in the last 12 years. Does anybody really think that Trump and his team didn't read every one of them? He has a track record that can't be changed by hand wringing. As JALLEN said, he will rule on something you will disagree with at some time. It is the nature of the beast and that is true for anyone that would have been picked.

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Time will tell. Just remember, you heard it here first.
John Roberts was supposed to be wonderful also.

I'm with you. I haven't had a good feeling about this guy from the get go. From his association with the Bush family (an immediate press release by the Bushes lauded his choice) to his friendship with Kagan to his questionable Obamacare rulings to his education by Jesuits, etc....

I am not convinced that this will do anything to change the court for the better, and I don't trust him to not be another Kennedy or Roberts. I, too, hope I'm wrong.

But, I suppose he was the easy(est) choice to get through the Senate, and in this I am disappointed in The Donald. I was hoping he'd bring the fight to those assholes.


Oh yeah. Those Jesuits.

Do you hear yourself? Knows the Bushes? Friendly with Kagan? You mention nothing about his opinions or judicial philosophy, but talk only about associations and his religion.




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