Here are the resultant new gun laws in FL after the Parkland shooting.

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New gun control measures for Florida have passed another legal hurdle, weeks after one of the worst school shootings in US history.

The state's House of Representatives passed a bill raising the age to buy a gun from 18 to 21 and imposing a three-day waiting period on all gun sales.

The bill, already passed by the Senate, now goes to the state governor.

Seventeen people were killed at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, on 14 February.

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Expelled former student Nikolas Cruz, 19, has been charged in the attack. He was formally indicted by a grand jury on Wednesday on 34 counts, including 17 counts of premeditated first-degree murder and 17 counts of attempted first-degree murder.

He is suspected of using a legally bought AR-15 semi-automatic rifle to carry out the 10-minute attack, gunning down teachers and students.

What is in the new law?
In addition to raising the age and bringing in the three-day waiting period, the legislation:

Introduces a voluntary armed "guardian programme" for schools, named after Aaron Feis, a coach who died in the Parkland shooting. It allows school personnel to be armed, subject to school district approval and specialist training
Classroom teachers are excluded from carrying arms unless they have a security forces background
Bans devices, such as bump stocks, that modify a semi-automatic weapon to fully automatic
Raises mental health funding and increases the power to seize or ban guns under mental health concerns
The legislation does not include a ban on the sale of assault-style weapons like the AR-15, despite it being a key demand of Parkland students and their parents.

Florida law already mandates a three-day waiting period for the purchase of a handgun but a person as young as 18 can buy a rifle with no waiting period.

The Republican-controlled House debated the bill for about eight hours on Wednesday before voting 67-50 in favour.

Has the move been welcomed?
Ryan Petty, whose daughter was among those killed, hailed the House's vote in a tweet.

He said: "We know that when it comes to preventing future acts of school violence, today's vote is just the beginning of our journey."

State Democratic Party legislators who backed the bill said it was necessary despite the "poison pill" of allowing more guns in schools under the guardian programme. Florida now joins at least six other states in allowing school employees to carry firearms.

Following the Parkland shooting, many surviving students had lobbied politicians for greater gun control.

Gun control activists will hope the Florida measures will be a turning point in their battle with the powerful National Rifle Association and others who defend firearms ownership under the Second Amendment of the US constitution.

On the day the vote passed, a 17-year-old woman student was killed in a suspected accidental shooting at a high school in Alabama.

What happens now?
Governor Rick Scott will need to sign the bill, known as the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School Public Safety Act, into law.

It will automatically become law within 15 days unless he vetoes it.

Mr Scott has not yet said he will back it, telling reporters he would "review the bill line by line" and consult victims' families.

He has previously said he opposes US President Donald Trump's call to arm teachers. He had also previously opposed increasing the purchase age from 18 to 21.

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Originally posted by jljones:
I am willing to bet the two detectives that got suspended are good with it. And would do the same thing again if needed.

This too likely has the Broward Sheriffs fingerprints on it. I’m betting it is more damage control as he can’t have out of Townes rubbing salt in his wounds.

jljones and 9mmepiphany: You are among the brave and true. You would do the right thing, regardless of the political consequences. The Broward Sheriff, on the other hand, is a political animal, and therefore dangerous to all.

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Originally posted by HRK:
Here are the resultant new gun laws in FL after the Parkland shooting.

The state's House of Representatives passed a bill raising the age to buy a gun from 18 to 21 and imposing a three-day waiting period on all gun sales.

CCW holders and LEO's are exempted (thank god).

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Introduces a voluntary armed "guardian programme" for schools, named after Aaron Feis, a coach who died in the Parkland shooting. It allows school personnel to be armed, subject to school district approval and specialist training

Since Broward (and many other liberal governed counties) will never allow this, this amounts to nothing.

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Classroom teachers are excluded from carrying arms unless they have a security forces background.

Issue them body bags instead.

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Bans devices, such as bump stocks, that modify a semi-automatic weapon to fully automatic

Accomplishes nothing.

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Raises mental health funding and increases the power to seize or ban guns under mental health concerns

This could really screw over a lot of law abiding gun owners if implemented poorly.

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The Republican-controlled House debated the bill for about eight hours on Wednesday before voting 67-50 in favour.

Some Repubs are going to loose their seats over this.

Just as I said, they were bound and determined to raise the age to 21 and the consequences be damned. There was no way that these emotion-driven, irrational people were going to stop without "doing something", and here you have it.

My prediction is that Governor Scott will sign this bill because it contains a lot that he supports. I also predict that it will not be long before a legal challenge will be filed against the new age limit to purchase a gun. I don't see how it can pass constitutional muster to deny a fundamental right to the entire class of persons age 18-20. It will be an interesting legal journey to follow.

If it turns out to be possible to deny a constitutional right to that age group, then I would suggest a new law banning anyone under the age of 21 from protesting on college campuses. It should cut down quite a bit on the the violence and destruction of property that the lefties have perpetrated in their campaigns to shut down speakers and other conservative events.

I've written the governor urging him to veto the bill.

I've already written both my rep and my senator, Repubs both, who voted for this abortion, that I am disappointed in them and that they have intentionally and improperly limited the rights of law abiding gun owners for the sake of political convenience.

I wrote to the governor, too, but he will likely sign this thing as he wants Bill Nelson's senate seat in the November election, and this will help him with independents and moderates. If he vetoes it, Nelson and the dems will beat him over the head with it all election season and make him into a bad guy in an increasingly purple state.

I will hold my nose and vote for him anyway, because I want to see Bill Nelson sent to the ash heap of history. He's a useless fucking toad. A mealy mouthed squishy dem that votes for all the stuff that hurts conservatives and "Normals" without ever doing anything stupid enough to get him booted. Besides, he's an "astronaut".

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Originally posted by ArtieS:
I've already written both my rep and my senator, Repubs both, who voted for this abortion, that I am disappointed in them and that they have intentionally and improperly limited the rights of law abiding gun owners for the sake of political convenience.

Artie, who's your House and Senate reps? Mine Are Mike Miller-R / District 47 who voted 'No' on the bill, and Linda Stewart-D / District 13 (a woman so stupid she could actually fail an IQ test). I'm not going to waste my time with Stewart.

**Update** Oh my god! I just checked, and Stewart-D voted against the final gun bill (she of course voted for the assault rifle ban amendment) because it wasn't draconian enough. So both my reps in Tallahassee voted against the bill and it still passed!

So, can we repeal the 26th amendment now?

We can just exclude the military... Old enough to fight, IF YOU JOIN, old enough to vote...

I haven’t read the bill yet. Does anyone know if just raises the age to buy or to own?

It is 21 years old to buy a pistol but 18 years old to own one.

I believe it is to BUY rifles.
Which coincidentally wouldn't have stopped Sandy Hook, either...

Full text of bill:

https://www.flsenate.gov/Sessi...7026/BillText/er/PDF

Well why don't we just raise these to 21 as well:

-voting
-cigarettes
-serve in the military

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Originally posted by stoic-one:
I believe it is to BUY rifles.
Which coincidentally wouldn't have stopped Sandy Hook, either...

Under 21 cannot buy from a licensed dealer. It is still legal for 18-20 to own and posses rifles & shotguns, and to continue purchasing them though private sales.This bill is nothing more then smoke and mirrors.

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Originally posted by stoic-one:
I believe it is to BUY rifles.
Which coincidentally wouldn't have stopped Sandy Hook, either...

Under 21 cannot buy from a licensed dealer. It is still legal for 18-20 to own and posses rifles & shotguns, and to continue purchasing them though private sales.This bill is nothing more then smoke and mirrors.

Thanks. Sort of expected this.

I haven't read the final draft yet, but in reading some of the prior versions, I believe some of the funds will also be used to improve the background check system both at the FDLE and federal level. In the grand scheme of things, it could have been much worse, and I also believe Governor Scott will sign it for political reasons.

I contacted Governor Scott and all the Florida senators about getting rid of "gun free zones" for concealed carry holders and the other issues, but if that is addressed at the federal level along with concealed carry reciprocity then it would work out well for us and others. I suspect this is why they didn't tackle this at the state level at the moment. I'm ashamed to admit that Debbie Wasserman-Shultz is my "representative" so I didn't waste my time sending her anything. Speaks volumes about the mindless, "my team at any cost or lack of moral value" voters in my district. I agree I much rather have Scott as a Senator than Nelson. I also believe the age change will be challenged legally sooner or later (probably sooner) but in the mean time will not make a huge difference, especially since the Florida law allows for an 18 to 20 year old to still own and use a gun, even a handgun, it just won't allow them to buy one at retail through a dealer unless they are LE or military. CWP holders continue to be exempt from waiting periods.

The bump-stock ban provision will be of little impact despite some people trying to interject hyperbolic interpretations of what constitutes a "device" or "accessory". It will not affect aftermarket triggers that simply lower the pull weight or trigger jobs given the historical precedent of usage and sales, that they are not designed to mimic automatic fire, and the fact that some guns come with adjustable triggers from the manufacturer.

Now the follow up for the FDLE and attorney General investigations needs to be to clean house at the Broward County level including the Sheriff and the Superintendent of Broward County Schools. Surprisingly, I learned at a recent meeting at our daughters' high school that only the Superintendent can actually expel a student from a school. School administrators including the principal can't. In a charter school like ours, because it is a privilege and choice to attend, they can be asked not to come back the following school year but that's it. So far, I'm thankful for the administration at their school, the security and social resources available, and the fact their principal said he would be the first to volunteer to carry if given the opportunity to do so. He also stressed to their 13 security personnel that if they are unwilling to risk their lives for the students there then they have no business working there. So far none have resigned. They also have a solid perimeter and good surveillance due to the layout and location of the school. Additional training is already in the works too. The new law would also mandate that due to the number of students at our school they would have to have at least two and likely three SROs on campus in addition to the security personnel. They only currently have one.

Funny stuff.
A congressional candidate running on a platform of more gun control laws, illegally creates a Short Barrel Rifle (SBR) and post the video on Facebook.

Showing the need for more laws by breaking the law.
Very clever of her.


VIRGINIA BEACH, Va. (WVEC) -- The Federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) is investigating congressional candidate Karen Mallard after she posted a video on Facebook that shows her cutting apart an AR-15 rifle.

I've heard of a couple of these and out of curiosity will an AR15 do anything more than turn into a single shot with the gas block and tube cut off? I'm guessing it will still fire a single round just not cycle.

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I've heard of a couple of these and out of curiosity will an AR15 do anything more than turn into a single shot with the gas block and tube cut off? I'm guessing it will still fire a single round just not cycle.

Yes. It'll simply be a single shot rifle much like a bolt action rifle. Still an SBR though. And still illegal as hell. No different than a sawed off double barrel shotgun.

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Yes. It'll simply be a single shot rifle much like a bolt action rifle. Still an SBR though. And still illegal as hell. No different than a sawed off double barrel shotgun.

Yeah, but not nearly as awesome as a sawed off shotty.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
I'm disappointed in you, Al Bundy.

And on another note...Modern Family is still on the air? How 'bout that? Who knew?

I knew it, all along "No Ma'am" stood for "No Military Assault Ammo Movers."