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Originally posted by Rightwire:
It is pretty clear that, despite his deflecting during the CNN meeting, the Sheriff and his department failed on every level to prevent or mitigate this incident.

Needs to be public demand for him to resign.

Serious as can be.

Full on investigation.

"What did they know, when did they know it and why did they fail to act properly?"

Up their asses with 20kw and microscopes.

Bring all the heat available to the GDC, everywhere.

Oh, my. The NEA is gonna have a conniption. Did you hear the comment from President Trump at CPAC about having US Marines as teachers in public schools?

Great speech on a variety of levels and topics!

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Originally posted by sigmonkey:

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Originally posted by Rightwire:
It is pretty clear that, despite his deflecting during the CNN meeting, the Sheriff and his department failed on every level to prevent or mitigate this incident.

Needs to be public demand for him to resign.

Serious as can be.

Full on investigation.

"What did they know, when did they know it and why did they fail to act properly?"

Up their asses with 20kw and microscopes.

Bring all the heat available to the GDC, everywhere.

Agreed, this is a glaring example of an incident that could/should have been prevented. The system failed. It proves that existing laws don't work, more laws are not the answer until existing laws are fully functional and proven inadequate.

this little monster will fry...but his public defender may end up doing a public service by exposing the absolute failure of so many agencies to put this little monster under a god damn rock...
to bama's post above of the SRO refusing to cooperate with social services, to the fbi, to the school board, to the BSO....holy cow..may careers end, and policies change after this. the very public trial will expose them all, and hopefully implement actual effective changes instead of turning all guns into hugs..

“This kid exhibited every single known red flag, from killing animals to having a cache of weapons to disruptive behavior to saying he wanted to be a school shooter,” Mr. Finkelstein said. “If this isn’t a person who should have gotten someone’s attention, I don’t know who is. This was a multisystem failure.”
nytimes article
edit to correct: sentencing by jury.

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Originally posted by DitchDoctor911:

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Originally posted by mod29:

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:
Reports are Scott Peterson was the SRO of the school for 10 years.

He likely knew & interacted with the shooter multiple times over the years, along with all the students at the school.

Assuming this information is accurate, it's interesting that the known presence of an armed officer didn't deter the killer.

I would think that if he knew the students there, he'd really want to protect them even more. If the purpose of SRO's is to get to know the kids, build a rapport, and be proactive, I don't understand how he couldn't help his kids. Even if the BSO policy was to set up a perimeter, I would think he'd say "F policy-- those are MY kids in there, I'm going in!"

Those were his kids and his fellow staff members. The rapport you develop as an SRO is incredible. I run into "my kids" all the time now and i haven't been and SRO in over ten years. "My kids" still trust me and will call me when they need the police by requesting me by name a full decade since they were "my kids". Hell, They have their own kids now and I am still their go to guy. I had students who left to other schools and several times a year I would field calls from other agencies asking my assistance with my former students because they only wanted to talk about their sexual assault with me. Being and SRO is exhausting and the most rewarding part of any police career. Not going in when you kids and staff are being threatened....what a piece of shit.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/u...plead-guilty-n849256

Officers believed the gunman was still inside Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School when they arrived at the scene of the shooting because of a miscommunication from the person reviewing video security footage, Coral Springs Police Chief Tony Pustizzi said during a news conference Thursday afternoon.

The person was reviewing footage from 20 minutes earlier tracking the gunman’s location but that information was not told to the officers, who believed they were hearing about his real-time movements.

Pustizzi said that caused "some confusion" for officers, but never put anyone in danger. The suspect had long left the high school.

“The delay never put us in a situation where any kids’ lives were in danger or any teachers’ lives were in danger,” he said.

He added that the miscommunication actually made officers work quicker, since they thought the gunman was still in the building.

"Our officers, obviously, were more expeditious and trying to get through that school," he said.

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does that make any sense at all?

They were "expeditiously" searching the wrong place. The shooter was on the recording leaving the school.

I'm gonna make a tiny suggestion/request that when discussing mass shooters, and when pasting articles, we always remove the shooter's name.

At first thought, my opinion was to reference them with an insult, but that may actually feed into a craving of infamy by future potential shooters - I think they want the hate. So, I suggest doing what they're doing over at Daily Wire, and just replacing the name with [shooter].

It may seem pointless on an internet forum, but there's a reasonable argument that potential new shooters research past shooters and seek to gain greater infamy by topping them, by having their name and face associated with the new, highest-ever body count. The Columbine shooters, for example, are like founding rock stars to these guys. IMO it should be hard when searching the web about mass shootings to find a name or face associated with a particular shooting.

Do with that what y'all will.

The SRO at our school is a Sherrif deputy, trained and armed. He knows all the kids and is great with them. My son interviewed him for a school project, and asked him about being an SRO. He is a higher seniority Deputy, and talked about being on patrol and how the job is about serving people. And then he said i love my job because it's about protecting my kids. If someone comes here to hurt my kids im here to do anything I have to. And I believe him.

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:
And truth of the matter is the SRO didn't even need to kill the shooter.

Simply engaging / shooting at these pussies typically gets them to either run away/stop the event or eat their own gun. And I'm not saying to count on that, but it seems to be typical behavior when they meet armed resistance.

Funny that the SRO now warrants more protection (6 Deputies as of last night) than any public school in America.

Yep, walk inside and empty a magazine into the ceiling. Bad guys aren't prepared for resistance. They tend to scurry off and end themselves. and this has been mentioned to me in nearly every active shooter training i have attended in the last decade.

Setting up a perimeter!

How does one go about setting up a perimeter on a four sided building?
“I have you surrounded, stop shooting and come out”.

The stupidity in that statement is beyond believe.

I can tell you that many years ago there was a shift in how to handle these incidents. LEO used to wait until they had a team before initiating entry.

The new idea is to engage as fast as possible, if you're the first one there and you know the next unit is more than seconds away you call it out and go. If a few arrive at the same time,that's the team, call the entry and go. The goal is to engage the shooter quickly and let everyone else arrive and join. LEO in Michigan train this way using a variety of situations and response times to teach officers how to adapt and work with various agencies as a rapidly developing team. My recently retired buddy loved this training as it forces you to think and adapt quickly.

This officer should have been on the radio, searching for, and engaging the shooter to save lives. That's the goal engage as fast as possible and at LEAST occupy the shooter until more assets arrive.

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Originally posted by Dtech:
Now some people are trying to argue, "Look, see, there was an armed person there that didn't act. Why would a teacher or anyone else be any different?".

Anyone saying that is a simpleton. First of all, there wasn't an armed person there. There was a coward hiding outside and away from the shooting.

An armed teacher on the other hand would likely be right in the thick of it, and even if he wasn't highly trained or even the bravest person in the world, if he's being shot at, he'll most likely have the survival instinct to shoot back.

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Originally posted by sdy:

Pustizzi said that caused "some confusion" for officers, but never put anyone in danger. The suspect had long left the high school.

“The delay never put us in a situation where any kids’ lives were in danger or any teachers’ lives were in danger,” he said.

He added that the miscommunication actually made officers work quicker, since they thought the gunman was still in the building.

"Our officers, obviously, were more expeditious and trying to get through that school," he said.

Disgusting CYA type liars.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by sdy:

Pustizzi said that caused "some confusion" for officers, but never put anyone in danger. The suspect had long left the high school.

“The delay never put us in a situation where any kids’ lives were in danger or any teachers’ lives were in danger,” he said.

He added that the miscommunication actually made officers work quicker, since they thought the gunman was still in the building.

"Our officers, obviously, were more expeditious and trying to get through that school," he said.

Disgusting CYA type liars.

Yeah, spin a clusterfuck into a resounding success!

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by Dtech:
Now some people are trying to argue, "Look, see, there was an armed person there that didn't act. Why would a teacher or anyone else be any different?".

Anyone saying that is a simpleton. First of all, there wasn't an armed person there. There was a coward hiding outside and away from the shooting.

An armed teacher on the other hand would likely be right in the thick of it, and even if he wasn't highly trained or even the bravest person in the world, if he's being shot at, he'll most likely have the survival instinct to shoot back.

I've seen this too. I know one of those fully liberal indoctrinated guy who lives to prove people wrong post on FB that no one could expect a teacher with a single shot pistol to be successful against a shooter with a rifle spraying bullets all over the room. Besides the teacher might accidentally shoot a student making it worse.

<- is insufficient to reflect my response

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Originally posted by pessimist:

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by sdy:

Pustizzi said that caused "some confusion" for officers, but never put anyone in danger. The suspect had long left the high school.

“The delay never put us in a situation where any kids’ lives were in danger or any teachers’ lives were in danger,” he said.

He added that the miscommunication actually made officers work quicker, since they thought the gunman was still in the building.

"Our officers, obviously, were more expeditious and trying to get through that school," he said.

Disgusting CYA type liars.

Yeah, spin a clusterfuck into a resounding success!

Oh no no no, don't you see? Miscommunication and bad intel is actually an asset.

Jesus, that type of spin is enough to make you want to bunch someone right in the spleen.

"Our officers, obviously, were more expeditious and trying to get through that school," he said.


So the Sheriff basically said that if they believe the shooter isn't on the property, his officers have no urgency in searching for victims or other shooters?

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Originally posted by kimber1911:
Setting up a perimeter!

How does one go about setting up a perimeter on a four sided building?
“I have you surrounded, stop shooting and come out”.

The stupidity in that statement is beyond believe.

It's not stupid. It makes perfect sense. He is excusing his cowardice. He can't really say "I ran in fear and hid while my students died while I had the means to stop the killer."


"Setting up a perimeter" sounds proactive and positive, and makes it sound like he was actually doing his job.


Of course, he COULD have just come out and admitted his dereliction of duty, but he obviously lacks the integrity and honor to just flat-out admit it.

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Originally posted by Dtech:
Now some people are trying to argue, "Look, see, there was an armed person there that didn't act. Why would a teacher or anyone else be any different?".

Somebody posted it on another page - if anybody uses this argument, simply respond that this is 'proof' that the liberal line about disarming citizens and that the "Police will protect us" is inherently flawed. Turn that crap around on them and watch their heads explode when confronted with their hypocrisy.

How does the handgun v. AR15 one on one confrontation play out here? A factor?