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Sending Dana was the smart call by the NRA for a number of reasons. Mother, gun owner, well spoken.

Of course she / we knew the crowd wouldn't listen.

Unruly mobs coming to kill you / take your stuff are part of the reason the 2A exists.
 
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The town hall was a no-win situation for anyone who supports anything short of an immediate and full ban on "assault weapons." 7000 in attendance, according to CNN, cearly many of whom knew victims, or at least students at that school, the rest mostly antis.

It's impossible to stand there talking to a victim or family member of victim, make a perfectly sound argument against their position, and not come off looking really bad to that audience.

It was very frustrating to watch, as expected. Most frustrating to me was that at the least Rubio and Dana should have been hammering on the fact that our society is producing these sick fucks all too frequently, and our media is turning them into celebrities. The whole discussion was about the best way to close the barn door after the horse has already left. Nobody had the balls to say there are lots of sick fucks out there, and they're gonna find ways to kill us in numbers, no matter what we outlaw.

By the way, Rubio said he's now willing to reconsider putting a limit on "magazine clip" capacity because he's had "more information" on how that might help to lower the body count sometimes. Roll Eyes


Here's the thing, though. A few things stick out in my mind.

How many of the attendees were actual victims, or actually knew ANYONE (student, teacher, janitor) at the school? Did they check school IDs to make sure that the attendees were legitimate? Of course they didn't. They bused in people like they always do. If the Clinton News Network said there were 7,000 in attendance, I would figure that 700 is probably a closer number. They are known for lying about crowd size. I bet it was 1 out of every 200 or 300 tops. The left is really great at using the same plants over and over again for their rag tag band of misfit causes.

The Sheriff is a moron who is looking to pad his coffers with donation money for his next election.

Rubio can reconsider anything he wants. Nothing is getting by DJT. He votes or considers voting for clip/magazine/thingys, he'll pay for it at his next trip to the ballot box. You see, most of what you see is flash in the pan. It is worthy of an Oscar for best performance in a protest or social justice engineered event. Rubio, and others, know that this isn't real. It is merely staged theater funded by the anti's to show that they are doing something. This keeps their donations turned on. It's all about the money. But, the NRA is making good money off of it too, so I wouldn't worry much about Oprah or Squealberg or whoever donating to Bloomy.




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I was really impressed with Dana. While not a resident of Parkland, I am there at least once a month.... Here's my take on the local population (not to paint with a broad brush...)

-Rich, pill popping moms and dads
-Entitled, spoiled, kids.. no discipline, little respect for authority
-Drugs are rampant - almost acceptable/normal teen behavior

Being south florida, a lot of people are transplants from up north. Naturally, the political leanings are very left.


I watched part of President Trump’s “listening” session with some of the kids, parents and teachers from Florida that aired on Fox yesterday. It was obviously too soon to be having a meeting to discuss solutions to school shootings because of their anger and fear. They need a psychologist, not the President. But, I certainly could tell none of the kids or others there have any clue about the real world. Wanting to be safe and burying one’s head in the sand don’t go together. Apparently they live in a drug filled fantasy land.
 
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This shouldn't surprise anyone.

Shooting Survivor: CNN Gave Me "Scripted Question"
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Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School student Colton Haab said he was approached by CNN to ask a question at Wednesday night's town hall but decided not to after the network gave him a "scripted question," quashing one he wrote himself. Haab, a member of the Junior ROTC shielded students while the school was under attack from the shooter, said he was going to ask about using veterans as armed security guards. (CNN response below.)

"CNN had originally asked me to write a speech and questions and it ended up being all scripted," Haab told WPLG-TV.

CNN aired a town hall on the Florida school shooting with Sens. Marco Rubio (R-FL) and Bill Nelson (D-FL) that included NRA's Dana Loesch and Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel that was moderated by Jake Tapper. Students and parents asked questions about gun control and school safety.


"I expected to be able to ask my questions and give my opinion on my questions," Haab said.

"Colton Haab, a member of the Junior ROTC who shielded classmates in the midst of terror says he did not get to share his experience," WPLG's Janine Stanwood explained.

"Colton wrote questions about school safety, suggested using veterans as armed school security guards but claims CNN wanted him to ask a scripted question instead so he decided not to go," Stanwood reported.

"CNN had originally asked me to write a speech and questions and it ended up being all scripted," Haab said. "I don't think that it's going get anything accomplished. It's not gonna ask the true questions that all the parents and teachers and students have."

UPDATE: CNN released the following statement Thursday morning:

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CNN did not, and does not, script any questions for town hall meetings, ever.




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Kudos to Dana for trying. The sheriff is clearly riding the coattail of emotion of his constituents. Especially since there may have been some inaction on this killer.
It seems the sentiment was to try "something" going forward and the something must be gun related and not mental health.
It is hard to teach children. Even harder to teach children through high emotions.


As previously posted, the sheriff and the Broward County school board are complicit in the adoption of the policies that allowed this monster to freely roam the streets.
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I wasn't happy with the sheriff, of course, but I hesitate to criticize local law enforcement without hearing the specifics of the calls they went to the home on. I strongly suspect LEOs across the country have regular contact with the same households where troubled, angry young men live who have not committed any actual crimes, or where nobody is willing to press charges. Additionally, what would it have taken for the kid to lose his firearms? A felony conviction? Bottom line is, I'm skeptical there was anything they could have done to prevent what happened.

As far as the FBI receiving tips, I wonder how many tips a day they recieve of a similar nature
 
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I wasn't happy with the sheriff, of course, but I hesitate to criticize local law enforcement without hearing the specifics of the calls they went to the home on. I strongly suspect LEOs across the country have regular contact with the same households where troubled, angry young men live who have not committed any actual crimes, or where nobody is willing to press charges. Additionally, what would it have taken for the kid to lose his firearms? A felony conviction? Bottom line is, I'm skeptical there was anything they could have done to prevent what happened.

As far as the FBI receiving tips, I wonder how many tips a day they recieve of a similar nature


hindsight is 20/20, but the issue here is relevance and effectiveness. we have some saying if guns werent available this little monster would of cured cancer, or some other hyperbolic nonsense....others not agreeing.

not sure the nature of the calls, but the fbi tips were pretty well placed, and elaborate...so lets just say they dropped the ball..the 30+ calls to the police seems really bad, rusbro. in florida at least we have the baker act. ive personally called the police on more than one person who was taken for a psych hold and one was sent in for civil commitment(involuntary hold past 72 hours). it is far fetched to predict this was an option for the police, but they have it here in florida. the two i was involved in were relatively erratic, and socially incapable people. cops didnt need much time talking to them to see they had something they could do. the issue here is the school board has some odd aversion to arresting kids...and the sheriffs office 30+ visits to the monster's house were i guess not enough for a baker act? if the fbi shared their threat info with the local police would they have baker act'd the kid? even the most worthless state head shrinker would have had this kid talk to them for 72 hours about their problems...half of the effect of therapy is talking yourself out of any urges, or just talking yourself out period (draining the impulse) i dunno, seems much more effective than melting all guns and ammunition...but again hindsight and "DO SOMETHING NOW"

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This shouldn't surprise anyone.

Shooting Survivor: CNN Gave Me "Scripted Question"
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Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School student Colton Haab said he was approached by CNN to ask a question at Wednesday night's town hall but decided not to after the network gave him a "scripted question," quashing one he wrote himself. Haab, a member of the Junior ROTC shielded students while the school was under attack from the shooter, said he was going to ask about using veterans as armed security guards. (CNN response below.)

"CNN had originally asked me to write a speech and questions and it ended up being all scripted," Haab told WPLG-TV.

CNN aired a town hall on the Florida school shooting with Sens. Marco Rubio (R-FL) and Bill Nelson (D-FL) that included NRA's Dana Loesch and Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel that was moderated by Jake Tapper. Students and parents asked questions about gun control and school safety.


"I expected to be able to ask my questions and give my opinion on my questions," Haab said.

"Colton Haab, a member of the Junior ROTC who shielded classmates in the midst of terror says he did not get to share his experience," WPLG's Janine Stanwood explained.

"Colton wrote questions about school safety, suggested using veterans as armed school security guards but claims CNN wanted him to ask a scripted question instead so he decided not to go," Stanwood reported.

"CNN had originally asked me to write a speech and questions and it ended up being all scripted," Haab said. "I don't think that it's going get anything accomplished. It's not gonna ask the true questions that all the parents and teachers and students have."

UPDATE: CNN released the following statement Thursday morning:

quote:
CNN did not, and does not, script any questions for town hall meetings, ever.



Didn't CNN get caught giving town hall questions to candidate Clinton, which is akin to scripting the dialogue? They're just liars.

And really that's the problem with this debate. I love talking and discussing and disagreeing and working through the logic of situations. But the "other" side of the gun rights debate do not conduct this conversation in good faith. They lie and twist stats and do anything possible to achieve the goal of confiscation. There's just no room to talk to these folks.
 
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CNN did not, and does not, script any questions for town hall meetings, ever.


yeah, bullshit.

We already caught you giving scripted questions to Hillary Clinton, so you have zero credibility here CNN. ZERO Roll Eyes


 
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The kid should have gone along just to be able to get in and then ask his own question.




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The kid should have gone along just to be able to get in and then ask his own question.


And, say on camera that CNN gave him a scripted question in advance.


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This makes sense now. Recall the inflammatory question Emma Gonzalez first asked Senator Nelson when the CNN moderator stepped in and said, "you don't need to answer that Senator. That question is for Dana Loesch". I can't find a clip of that, but it struck me as strange when it happened.


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Kudos to Dana for trying. The sheriff is clearly riding the coattail of emotion of his constituents. Especially since there may have been some inaction on this killer.
It seems the sentiment was to try "something" going forward and the something must be gun related and not mental health.
It is hard to teach children. Even harder to teach children through high emotions.


As previously posted, the sheriff and the Broward County school board are complicit in the adoption of the policies that allowed this monster to freely roam the streets.
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Same policy was adopted in Tucson a few years ago. Local TV station did a several day report on the subject which detailed the sharp decrease of school related discipline based on student color and/or type of offense.

Clearly, this is a program by Liberals to protect the identity of students who are repeat offenders.


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The forensic psychiatrist in the video below has been saying for years now that it's the media coverage that is causing mass killings to increase.

I'm not saying they shouldn't be covered, but the killers need to be referred to as the pieces of filth they are, and if you want to know their name, you should have to click a link on a website, or tune in on TV at 2:01 AM sharp, when it will be on screen for 5 seconds, only once, and the coverage needs to not run 24/7.

I wonder how the media would feel about a federal law requiring the above, with imprisonment for reporters who violate the rules. The First Amendment was written a long time ago. The founders couldn't have possibly imagined our modern media, ya know Wink




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Everyone in that audience clearly missed the point. The NRA, through the spokesperson, 100% supported the position that the shooter should never have been able to purchase the weapons used. There were safe guards in place, there were dozens of warning signs, this was an absolute and total failure of the system and by local and state law enforcement.

An elected Sheriff who should be held largely responsible did the old Dodge, Dip, Duck, Dive and..... Dodge. Blame then gun, not the incompetence of my department so I can avoid millions in lawsuits and a sure defeat in the next election.

IMHO she should have held him accountable and repeatedly asked why the common sense system failed. Again.




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Crazy. But not really a surprise. The left is full of some of the most hateful and violent people in the country. And they have shown that when in a group and facing off against an unarmed person they will happily attack.




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Honestly, why would the NRA, Dana and Rubio agree to go on TV this close to the situation and seriously CNN?

It was a stupid move in a no win situation, without them no show, a simple "its too early to have a productive discussion on the subject and those who have lost love ones should be allowed to be with their families and grieve" statement, without Rubio or Loesch the show flops and there are no fireworks.


The only possible advantage to them being there is hopefully rational people not on either side see two well meaning people being abused by those who were affected by the shooting and that it was an emotion charged setting where nothing was gained.
 
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Rush made the observation today that there seems to be more anger and venom aimed at the NRA than toward the kid that did the shooting. I have to agree.
 
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