Very sad situation. I am glad to see someone was able to stop the scum before he was able to kill anyone else. That poor security guard had no chance,in my opinion,wherever he carried his gun. He already had a bead on him before he could do a thing. He and the other parishioner, made a sacrifice for the others. I couldn't help but think of a biblical verse : No greater love hath any man than this, to lay down his life for his friends. I believe that is what he did and a good testimony for us all. Just my 2 cents.

Was reading Mr. Wilson's interview with one media source; the deceased church security volunteer apparently did get a round off which struck the wall. Went down swinging to protect family, friends, and perhaps a few folks who just happened to join them in worship Sunday. Richard White was his name. Anton Wallace was the other gentleman.

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GWbiker, this is exactly why. Dead on the money. And I cannot draw it as fast from an iwb holster.

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Originally posted by Ironmike57:
I carried a j frame in church yesterday. After watching this shooting unfold, I will never carry a j frame in church again.

I'm curious as to why? I carry a Airweight J frame to church.

Because making a shot like that is not easy with a J frame. Hell, under pressure that’s a hard shot for just about any pistol.

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Right IronMike. Now just imagine had there been another bad guy. Or three. You wold be woefully under gunned with that J frame. Which is why I no longer carry mine.

Not to second guess the man because he is a hero but I think he was wrong to make just one shot... I think he should have fired at least three times before stopping to determine if there was no longer a threat.

the other thing the video does not show is what was going on in the rear of the church.... I fear that everyone else armed was rushing toward the shooter and no one was watching the rear.

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Originally posted by Blume9mm:
Not to second guess the man because he is a hero but I think he was wrong to make just one shot... I think he should have fired at least three times before stopping to determine if there was no longer a threat.

The shooter fell like a load of bricks. The security guard would have fired any additional shots into the wall.

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Originally posted by Blume9mm:
Not to second guess the man because he is a hero but I think he was wrong to make just one shot... I think he should have fired at least three times before stopping to determine if there was no longer a threat.

Wilson stated that he had a fraction of a second for that shot. People were still in his line of fire, not all of them prone on the floor. The head shot was all he had, a torso shot was out of the question.

How many lives have you guys saved this week? Thank him and congratulate him and thank God he was there, and leave the rest of that stuff out of it.

Any advice for Capt. Sully on making emergency water landings, guys? Come on.

Damn good shooting. Cool under fire. Really cool.

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Originally posted by Blume9mm:
Not to second guess the man because he is a hero but I think he was wrong to make just one shot... I think he should have fired at least three times before stopping to determine if there was no longer a threat.

the other thing the video does not show is what was going on in the rear of the church.... I fear that everyone else armed was rushing toward the shooter and no one was watching the rear.

OMG!!!

Making the only shot possible, head shot at ~50 feet, under the greatest possible pressure - the sign of true expertise.

We should all strive to have such skills, and the wherewithal to utilize them if needed.

^^^
And with a 229 in 357SIG at that.
Most impressive.

Guy did a terrific job. Monday morning QB’s wouldn’t have done any better, despite what they think.

Slightly changing the subject... Someone up above suggested it looked like the bad guy had a Shockwave. Never heard anything else about it.

It could just as easily have been the Remington knockoff, or a home made sawedoff. Has anyone heard anything else about the shooters gun?

Back to not carrying a J frame. Would anyone suggest nothing instead? I don't even know if the caliber of the guard's gun had anything to do with the bad guy dropping like a sake of potato's. Could have been a 22 depending on where it hit.

We don't know, but many of us would like to.

Interview with Mr. Wilson. This is one calm SOB who relied on his training.

Headshot was his only option.

"I didn't kill an individual, I killed evil"

That's an excellent interview with Mr. Wilson. The reporter's asked good questions and were quite respectful (unlike most of the msm clowns).

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Back to not carrying a J frame.

I think his line of thinking is that it would have been a less-than-ideal choice to try and take THIS or a similar shot (15 yard head shot, moving target, friendlies in the way, etc.)

I say carry as much gun as you can, but any gun is better than no gun at all.

If you watch the video, look where the Deacon’s daughter is sitting in relation to the shooter. (She is the one in black and gray who stands up, screams, and runs to the back of the church.)
A 642 in the hands of someone in her relative position would be more than adequate to drop the bad guy.

Sometimes the only gun I can carry is a LCP or 642 given attire, location, need to be discrete etc.
But I will take either one of those over harsh language and a Benchmade any day.

Yes, I was really impressed with Wilson in that interview. What a well-spoken *gentle*man. He kept mentioning processing what happened and that he considers that killed an evil. I hope he'll always have peace with it that way. I'd hate to think that he'll feel guilt for his two friends that died.

I for one am impressed at the completeness of the churches planing

Don't get me wrong... I'm not about to criticize the man.. he is a real hero .. did what most of us even with all our second guess would have never been able to do.

What I suspect is once he realized he had to engage the shooter everything that followed was total muscle memory from extensive training.

After action analasis is just natural and is what should be done.. that is not to be considered criticism of this man.

One point that I think will be evident is the shooter should have never been allowed to come into the church.

I will say if any of you ever get a chance to take a Sheep Dog Seminar, do it.
https://www.sheepdogsafetytraining.com

Im on my church safety team. When I pull a shift I carry my G19 because it’s the best tool I have for that situation. When I go for a run I carry a J-frame because that’s the best tool for that situation.

No hate for a J-frame. It is better than no weapon at all but when I’m entrusted to provide a safe worship environment for ~250 people the G19 is more accurate, holds more ammunition, and is easier to shoot. For me it’s the only responsible choice, until I get a P229 in .357 SIG it would seem.