"Deep Trouble", "Attack on Conservatives", "shocking". Click bait sensationalism nonsense.

I don't even ride motorcycle.

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Originally posted by Ronin101:
I wouldn't call that opinion piece journalism. Hiring felon's is becoming standard practice since businesses need to to be able to staff themselves

You are never going to get the time you spent reading this retarded rambling back.

Be more selective with your time.

1960s - Harley’s problem is they don’t make motorcycles that attract younger buyers like Honda.
1970s - Harley’s problem is they don’t make motorcycles that attract younger buyers like Honda.
1980s - Harley’s problem is they don’t make motorcycles that attract younger buyers like Honda.
1990s - Harley’s problem is they don’t make motorcycles that attract younger buyers like Honda.
2000s - Harley’s problem is they don’t make motorcycles that attract younger buyers like Honda.
2010s - Harley’s problem is they don’t make motorcycles that attract younger buyers like Honda.
2020s - Harley’s problem is they don’t make motorcycles that attract younger buyers like Honda.

Never gets old. I would have thought all of the Harley buyers would have died three decades ago.

A Harley guy is like a dude with Taurus Judge in an Uncle Mike's holster.
Maximum cringe.

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Originally posted by trapper189:
1960s - Harley’s problem is they don’t make motorcycles that attract younger buyers like Honda.
1970s - Harley’s problem is they don’t make motorcycles that attract younger buyers like Honda.
1980s - Harley’s problem is they don’t make motorcycles that attract younger buyers like Honda.
1990s - Harley’s problem is they don’t make motorcycles that attract younger buyers like Honda.
2000s - Harley’s problem is they don’t make motorcycles that attract younger buyers like Honda.
2010s - Harley’s problem is they don’t make motorcycles that attract younger buyers like Honda.
2020s - Harley’s problem is they don’t make motorcycles that attract younger buyers like Honda.

Never gets old. I would have thought all of the Harley buyers would have died three decades ago.

Literally no one in this thread is saying this.

Why is it so offensive to openly question why a company that prides itself on V twin motorcycles allows itself to be schooled by Suzuki and Ducati who make more than just v twins?

Would it fucking kill them to make a really fun v twin challenger to the Ducati Monster and Suzuki SV650?

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Originally posted by jhe888:
For the same reason Cadillac and Lincoln will never build a Porsche 911.

Cadillac might not make a 911 but they do make some pretty sleek cars and SUVs. They make something that some people want. Now, if they continued to make a car like a 1978 Coupe de Ville, they would be going down the path of Harley Davidson.

I don't ride motorcycles, so I have no skin in the game, but I'm exhausted by shitty talentless hacks getting by writing garbage and getting people riled up over it. It's a true drain on society.

I actually never liked Harley's, I don't like how they sound and I wouldn't get caught dead in chaps. I still think that writer deserves a NFL kickoff to the crotch...

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Originally posted by stickman428:
Literally no one in this thread is saying this.

Why is it so offensive to openly question why a company that prides itself on V twin motorcycles allows itself to be schooled by Suzuki and Ducati who make more than just v twins?

Would it fucking kill them to make a really fun v twin challenger to the Ducati Monster and Suzuki SV650?

At least six posters, including yourself, have lamented that Harley’s problem is that is failing to attract younger buyers. You brought up the Grom, which I believe is made by Honda. I love the Grom, absolute genius move by Honda when they did that with the Super 90 in 1966.

One guy said that bikers today want a sub 11 second 1/4 knee dragging motorcycle. First, I glad bikers today are so retro, ‘cause Yamaha did that 35 year ago with the FJ1200. Of course, the Grom goes completely against that assertion, but I digress.

Yes, it would kill Harley to produce the bike you’ve asked about. They’ve tried, the aren’t good at it, so they stick to what they are good at. When I lived in SE Wisconsin, I rode with and hung out with Harley managers, engineers, and production line workers for years. They aren’t wired that way.

Harley’s problem has never been failing to produce bikes that attract younger riders. That’s the point my post was intended to make. It’s old, seriously old, going back to the “You meet the nicest people on a Honda” days. Thinking so, is like saying Ducati’s problem is they don’t make bikes younger people can afford. Or that Rolex’s problem is they’ve been making the same six watches for 70 years.

As far as the article in the OP, it got clicks and outrage, so much outrage.

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Originally posted by Suppressed:

a car like a 1978 Coupe de Ville

The don't make 'em like they used to.

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Originally posted by trapper189:
Thinking so, is like saying Ducati’s problem is they don’t make bikes younger people can afford.

Case in point:

Starting from $10.995

CONFIGURE

https://scramblerducati.com/us/bike/icon/

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Originally posted by stickman428:

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Originally posted by trapper189:
1960s - Harley’s problem is they don’t make motorcycles that attract younger buyers like Honda.
1970s - Harley’s problem is they don’t make motorcycles that attract younger buyers like Honda.
1980s - Harley’s problem is they don’t make motorcycles that attract younger buyers like Honda.
1990s - Harley’s problem is they don’t make motorcycles that attract younger buyers like Honda.
2000s - Harley’s problem is they don’t make motorcycles that attract younger buyers like Honda.
2010s - Harley’s problem is they don’t make motorcycles that attract younger buyers like Honda.
2020s - Harley’s problem is they don’t make motorcycles that attract younger buyers like Honda.

Never gets old. I would have thought all of the Harley buyers would have died three decades ago.

Literally no one in this thread is saying this.

Why is it so offensive to openly question why a company that prides itself on V twin motorcycles allows itself to be schooled by Suzuki and Ducati who make more than just v twins?

Would it fucking kill them to make a really fun v twin challenger to the Ducati Monster and Suzuki SV650?

they did. XR1200. Nobody bought it. Except for me and about 20 other dudes.

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Originally posted by DoctorSolo:
I don't ride motorcycles, so I have no skin in the game, but I'm exhausted by shitty talentless hacks getting by writing garbage and getting people riled up over it. It's a true drain on society.

I actually never liked Harley's, I don't like how they sound and I wouldn't get caught dead in chaps. I still think that writer deserves a NFL kickoff to the crotch...

You win the thread LOLOLOL

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Originally posted by Ryanp225:
A Harley guy is like a dude with Taurus Judge in an Uncle Mike's holster. Maximum cringe.

That's a silly thing to say. Just cool it, please.

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Originally posted by architect:


... Sadly, those that make an effort to assist ex-offenders often become their next victims.

... .

architect, I will politely disagree. Technically, they served their penalty by doing time. Society is not obligated to punish them further. But anyone who is involved in education initiatives and/or prison ministries can tell you many do try to change and grow.

The initiative by Harley Davidson was not to hire felons but to eliminate a filter check box on an application. You still have to have the education, skill, personality to pass an interview etc. Frankly, I would like to see your research on the above quote. I have found that those who seek jobs, education, etc. are not as likely to return.

Now please, I do not disagree that recidivism rates are high, and I do not disagree that the prison system if deeply and fundamentally flawed. BUT I do maintain that if a company wants to help someone rehabilitate and maybe start a road to redemption. Yes, I applaud that.

never been interested in HD. especially when they thought it would be so cool to do the stupid electric scooter deal about 5 years ago. That totally ended it for me. Good riddance.

Never cared about them. We call them Hardly Ablesons. They are porkers, hundreds of pounds overweight. Shit brakes, not enough power. It’s a 1960’s bike when they could have technologically advanced like most every other motorcycle manufacturer on the planet. The other joke is twice the price for half the performance.

When they pulled their shit with Erik Buell, well best of luck to them. Many of their rider base, well I’m not going to bag on them too hard, just a little. I’m quite content riding literbikes in my “power ranger” suit, as one of their ilk deemed it. They do get quite pissed when you pass them in the twisties like they are standing still. They’ll be like 20 of them or more, together, like that guy on the country road pulling a trailer going under the speed limit who will purposely NOT let you by. Few are wearing helmets and it’s always the lead guy who gets pissy. I’ve had several guys create sparks grinding their motorcycle parts down as I leave them like I’m Captain Kirk and told Mr. Sulu to take it to warp speed. Many of them are good people though, friendly, etc. But this anti any other kind of motorcycle is very common amongst them. If I wanted a cruiser I’d buy the Diavel or a Vmax. But I don’t know if they make belt buckles for those, or vests, or F150’s, or panties

https://www.wisconsinharley.co...ed-black-97850-16vw/

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Originally posted by Ryanp225:
A Harley guy is like a dude with Taurus Judge in an Uncle Mike's holster.
Maximum cringe.

I have owned a lot of motorcycles brands over the years. I currently own a 2021 HD Low Rider S and it’s been great. I always find the keyboard haters funny because they are so full of shit. In real life, when your hanging out with other riders at the coffee shop, nobody gives a shit what you ride. We are into all the bikes.

There used to be a time when brand differentiation was the name of the game. Companies had a target client base and they went after them.

It's really simple, and granted this isn't 100% and there is a lot of gray area but generally speaking....
- Iron Maiden likely isn't going to attract Taylor Swift fans with spiffy marketing
- Chevy is not going to grab die hard MOPAR enthusiasts by trying to appeal to a broader base
- Indycar is not going to convert droves of NASCAR fans by switching their beer sponsor
- Women's soccer is not going to attract anyone by.... by... oh never mind.

I think you get the point. I'm not sure when in Marketing school they drifted away from target markets and decided that you had to make your product viable for everyone, all the time, no matter what.

I'd guess the bigger reason that young people don't by Harleys is:
- They can't afford them yet
- They can't handle them and aren't ready for that image
- An 800lbs full dresser is a lot of bike for a 120lb 22 year old

What is their culture like? Is a HD event one where you can take a woman, or is it full of delusional idiots, who think they’re living in a TV show?

Given how many idiots seemed shocked to be facing felony murder charges after the Waco shootings, there seem to be a lot of deluded people associated with HD motorcycles.

Rightwire,
Exactly what I’ve been saying.

Aglifter,
You cannot paint all M/C’s with a wide brush. Same as the firearms community.

I have several friends that ride with 1%er clubs both active and retired. Been to clubhouses and events they have had. Suffice to say that I’ve seen more fights in bars and concert venues than I’ve seen in M/C clubhouses and or events. It’s not a remake of 60’s biker movies in those clubhouses.