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So much to comment and none of it is rational... A Weed man set on fire by a police stun gun is fighting for life as his family looks for answers
Didn't realize Weed had a police department, its a very small town on the Northwestern edge of Mt.Shasta along I-5. There's a handful of wealthy landholders and retirees, along with a menagerie of new age hippies (the mtn attracts such), a few business owners and a bunch of rednecks. Meth is a major problem much like fentanyl is back East. Using a Taser in combination of flammable/combustable fuel...what could happen? Father is former mayor and a current councilman...would be very interesting as to what Mr Hall has done to fund, support and improve PD training. Scolding and castigating the local PD doesn't work Mr Hall. PJ Hall was a known person to the local PD, priors for assault, assault on a PD, and drug possession. Mr Hall, your son is a mess. | ||
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I'll bet a lot more than Weed was involved. Maybe the cop should have shot the lighter out of his hand with his sixgun. | |||
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What a shit show! I imagine a small town doesn't have trained negotiators to talk down a crazy person doused in gasoline and holding a lighter. When a small-town LEO is in a room with someone doused in gasoline I'm betting it's pretty close to a no win situation. Guns and tasers can ignite the gasoline, and expandable baton or going hands-on puts the LEO at unnecessary risk. Seems like pepper spray and talking would be the best tools for this high probability of failure scenario. Typical family bullshit though. Fucktard of a kid has assaulted a LEO in the past but father still claims he has never been violent. Ego is the anesthesia that deadens the pain of stupidity DISCLAIMER: These are the author's own personal views and do not represent the views of the author's employer. | |||
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Let me be blunt, such jokes are in bad taste, but the victim is, literally, smoking Weed. ****************************************** Mr. Weed's long-term burn care and rehab is going to get very expensive. I pity the medical personnel who get to do that with a mentally ill patient. Their salaries are no where near enough to get me to do that job. Nice is overrated "It's every freedom-loving individual's duty to lie to the government." Airsoftguy, June 29, 2018 | |||
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^^^^^^^^^^^ Now that he is getting medical care, he will get psychiatric help. Antipsychotics and psychotherapy have come a long way. He will be sedated for sure. | |||
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No one to blame but himself. The family is always concerned After the Fact. ____________________________________________________ The butcher with the sharpest knife has the warmest heart. | |||
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This 100% Niech Zyje P-220 Steve | |||
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In cases such as this, a bean bag weapon or other less lethal weapon is the option. And no guarantee of success, either. But hard to deploy in a living room. The Taser can be effective, but not in this scenario. And the spiel about how wonderful the dude is is BS and an attempt at winning the ghetto lottery. If he was was minding his own biz,(while marinated in unleaded) and not a threat, then why call the cops? End of Earth: 2 Miles Upper Peninsula: 4 Miles | |||
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A fire extinguisher or high pressure hose also works well. | |||
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Damned when he did react, damned had he not reacted. No win. All viable alternatives mentioned, if even available, in just seconds or minutes. | |||
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If the dude doused himself in gasoline, has a lighter & is making self-harm threats....I'd expect him to set himself on fire & keep some distance between myself & him. Definitely wouldn't expect someone else to do the work for him though. <>< America, Land of the Free - because of the Brave | |||
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Yep. Sums it up nicely. I think the police should stop responding to things of this nature to be blunt. | |||
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I have a family member who won't take his meds and has issues to the point his father had to seek a protective order and no member of his family will take him in. If he presented a threat to others and law enforcement was needed, I'd definitely expect him to be clubbed like a baby seal. Helping him set himself on fire is kind of a stretch, but do agree if the family has been enabling Monsieur they are definitely part of the problem. <>< America, Land of the Free - because of the Brave | |||
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I thought the same thing years ago. Tasing him probably wasn't the thing to do. Mace? Probably not gonna work the way you want it. Especially on crazy, mace just don't work on crazy. Bean bag is a nice option IF it's readily available. Talking sometimes works, talking sometimes doesn't. What would have probably really helped in this situation would have been to get lil Paulie to a good head dr YEARS AGO! But that would take the family admitting there's a problem, then actually stepping up and doing something about the problem. But responsibility sucks, so let's hope this problem goes away, or at least doesn't turn into a big problem. Oh, it turned into a big problem... Doused in gasoline, right smack dab in the living room.... Fuck! Call someone else to deal with this problem. ______________________________________________________________________ "When its time to shoot, shoot. Dont talk!" “What the government is good at is collecting taxes, taking away your freedoms and killing people. It’s not good at much else.” —Author Tom Clancy | |||
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Your family member needs to get some help! NOW! ESPECIALLY if (s)he is a danger to themself or others. Get them to a treatment facility / hospital. ______________________________________________________________________ "When its time to shoot, shoot. Dont talk!" “What the government is good at is collecting taxes, taking away your freedoms and killing people. It’s not good at much else.” —Author Tom Clancy | |||
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I doubt that anyone dealing with mentally ill people can force them to take the medicine that helps keep them on an even keel. Or compel them to seek / accept treatment. Institutionalized maybe. On the streets, nah. <>< America, Land of the Free - because of the Brave | |||
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Therein lies the problem! ______________________________________________________________________ "When its time to shoot, shoot. Dont talk!" “What the government is good at is collecting taxes, taking away your freedoms and killing people. It’s not good at much else.” —Author Tom Clancy | |||
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I sense a failure of officer training to point out that Tasers create sparks and should not be used in situations involving highly flammable substances. flashguy Texan by choice, not accident of birth | |||
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Only they know the real answer, but I suspect they'll be mum on the subject. This isn't the first episode this guy has had; you don't go from completely normal to gasoline sponge in the heat of the moment. And I agree, why send the law to calls like this? Sounds like a family matter...or maybe one requiring a lengthy soaking with a fire hose before any other force is applied. What's that? You don't want us to water down your idiot son? Fine. We'll be outside with a charged line when he succeeds in lighting up proper on his own. “Remember to get vaccinated or a vaccinated person might get sick from a virus they got vaccinated against because you’re not vaccinated.” - author unknown | |||
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It's much easier to tell others what to do with their crazy family members than it is to actually do it. | |||
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