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Originally posted by vthoky:
Two articles I saw on another forum yesterday:

Every public official that supports the expansion of this technology should have their ASS voted out of office.

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Originally posted by .38supersig:
Only personal identification info is reserved for law enforcement.

The sad truth is even the anonymized data being sold that removes the personal identification can quickly be cross-referenced with public records and/or other datasets and re-match you to your data.

lol. Flock has no access to “personal data”. This thread is amusing to watch the teeth gnashing and hand wringing. Flock is definitely your “shoulder thing that goes up”.

All while posting a device that tracks your every movement.

No, no. That’s different. I signed a user agreement.

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Originally posted by jljones:
lol. Flock has no access to “personal data”. This thread is amusing to watch the teeth gnashing and hand wringing. Flock is definitely your “shoulder thing that goes up”.

All while posting a device that tracks your every movement.

No, no. That’s different.

No offense intended Jones but I don't think you know jack shit about what's possible or being done in the IT world.

Yeah but I know Flock. And they have no access to personal data as being falsely represented here.

And if you have any idea of what’s possible in the IT world, what they are using your phone for should petrify you. But, no no. You have to sign an agreement you can opt out of the government tracking you without a warrant. Riiiiiggggghhhhhtttttt

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Originally posted by jljones:
Yeah but I know Flock. And they have no access to personal data as being falsely represented here.

So how do you know Flock? Do you know where all this data goes and everyone who has access? Do you have access to the source code? If you can honestly answer these questions, I'm pretty impressed.

I know what the data is. And what Lowe’s can see. And who can access what camera.

Stop with the whole “you have to know how a watch works to be able to tell time” as well as redirecting from the digital snitch that you are currently typing on.

And if we are dick measuring and the data is so easy, pull camera s437 at 17:16 CST and give me the plate number of the capture.

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Originally posted by jljones:


Stop with the whole “you have to know how a watch works to be able to tell time” as well as redirecting from the digital snitch that you are currently typing on.

Cell phones and the digital snitch you like to call it are totally different conversations that have been discussed ad nauseam. We are talking about Flock cameras at the moment.

Stop pretending you know a damn thing about the inner workings of Flock. You don't, so quit amusing yourself. You, at the most, are an end user that has limited access so quit trying to impress me with this "s437 at 17:16 CST" bullshit.

It’s ok to say that accessing the information is not as easy as claimed.

Law enforcement loves Flock because it's a tool that works for them.

The common man dislikes Flock because it's a tool easily used against him.

Here is an example where Flock came in handy for LE. Watch the video of two stupid Caliradoans being stupid and how they found them

Road Rage Idiots on I-70

So FLOCKs primary investor is Peter Theil, now he is a R, and is also the founder of one of the larger AI data companies Planatir, that provides services at it's core to the US government and others.

Planatir's customers are governments, major corporations and medical data. The power to take high level enterprise data, massage it with AI, combine all datasets to come up with military advice, corporate analysis, you name it. Planatir is positioned very well into the data analysis and AI formulations.

Theory is that FLOCK has all this data, it is integrated into Planatir's AI and provides the government with tracking data on every plate, so they can find the terrorist bad guys. Who wouldn't want that.

Anyone ever watch the movie Enemy of the State......

Begs the question, how close are the two private companies intertwined with data collection on one side, and data analysis and governments linked on the other.

https://x.com/WallStreetApes/s.../2054910853518856503

One of the more interesting things is how FLOCK came to be, Peter Theil a billionare, was a big investor in FLOCK, still owns a big piece of it, he's also the founder of Planatir.

So, who is Planatir and why would that matter?

Palantir Technologies (PLTR) is an American dual-use software company specializing in artificial intelligence and big-data analytics for government agencies and commercial enterprises. Founded in 2003, the company powers military, intelligence, healthcare, and corporate decision-making through major software platforms like Gotham, Foundry, and AIP

Big time investor/founder, one company will massive footprint on surveilance, the other supplies AI based data analytics to Governments and we're supposed to think that the two shall never meet....



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FLOCK CAMERAS CAPTURE A WHOLE LOT MORE THAN YOUR LICENSE PLATE NUMBER

Flock Safety is one of those companies you may not have heard of, but it has probably heard of you. This company, headquartered in Atlanta, makes automatic license plate readers, usually placed on roadsides. The problem with those, though, is that they log a lot more than your license plate.

A feature that Flock calls Vehicle Fingerprint can track granular stuff like the make, the body style, a roof rack, and even bumper stickers and decals on a car. Because of this, the plate almost becomes optional, and that's exactly the pitch being made to the police – a half-glimpse of your car is plenty. Any lapses in info can be filled in using other details.
That said, this is just the opening act, as the same technology also allows for drones that trail cars from above and even pick someone out of a crowd by their outfit. Worse, as we'll learn later, there have been cases where officers have abused the technology.

Enabling all this is the Falcon camera system. The standard unit is capable of catching a car moving faster than 60mph, and its view stretches across two lanes of traffic. There's also this Falcon Long Range variant that's built for catching traffic blowing past triple-digit speeds, while at the same time watching a third lane. Across the U.S., over 80,000 of all these have been installed so far.

The software pulling the strings

All that hardware is not nearly as useful without the software to back it up. One of Flock's more startling examples is a lookup tool called Nova, which Flock pitches as a search engine built for cops. It rakes in open-source intel, public records, and whatever the dispatch system is holding, then hands an officer one search bar for all of it. Flock even floated loading Nova with breached data pulled off the dark web, though it decided to back off. But even without the dark web data, it's still able to do a lot.

An officer can look for vehicles traveling together, which helps them pull up a cluster of cars that keep showing up, treating them as a group. There's also a separate tool that Flock calls multi geo search. This one, targeting a single car, stitches its appearances into a trail across different times and places, using the aforementioned clues it tracks.

Then come the drones, part of a program Flock calls Drone as First Responder, that launch the moment a 911 call lands. The drone then trails a person or car at up to 60 mph. There's also Freeform, where a cop types a plain description, down to what someone was wearing, and lets the software find a match. For what it's worth, Flock says it does not run facial recognition.

All that watching comes at a cost

Regardless of the implications, police love these cameras. Backers call the cameras a force multiplier for short-staffed departments and officers have even linked them directly to drops in violent crime. The problem is the side effects from all the watching and the sheer scale of it all. One example is Oakland where 293 of these automatic license plate readers wired straight into the police feed racked up past 638 million reads in 2025. But barely any of those flagged a real crime. The few crimes that were actually flagged were mostly stolen plate alerts.

The creepiest part is the human factor, though. One case saw a chief in Sedgwick, Kansas, running his ex-girlfriend's plate 164 times in four months. He ended up losing his badge, but he's far from the only officer caught abusing the system.

There was also this case of a man in Norfolk, Virginia, who learned that Flock had logged his car 526 times, roughly four passes a day — in just four months. Due to these issues, and many other concerns with the tech, several cities have started bailing on the program. One instance is Mountain View, California, which shut down the it's Flock deployment after learning that Flock was quietly handing its data to outside agencies it never signed off on. It's joined by more than 45 cities that have now cut ties with the law-breaking Flock cameras. Even the people are pushing back, with cases of vandalism against Flock camera on the rise.

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with cases of vandalism against Flock camera on the rise.

I believe we've seen this before in UK.

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Originally posted by HRK:
So FLOCKs primary investor is Peter Theil, now he is a R, and is also the founder of one of the larger AI data companies Planatir, that provides services at it's core to the US government and others.

Planatir's customers are governments, major corporations and medical data. The power to take high level enterprise data, massage it with AI, combine all datasets to come up with military advice, corporate analysis, you name it. Planatir is positioned very well into the data analysis and AI formulations.

Theory is that FLOCK has all this data, it is integrated into Planatir's AI and provides the government with tracking data on every plate, so they can find the terrorist bad guys. Who wouldn't want that.

Anyone ever watch the movie Enemy of the State......

Begs the question, how close are the two private companies intertwined with data collection on one side, and data analysis and governments linked on the other.

https://x.com/WallStreetApes/s.../2054910853518856503

This was posted back on page 4, the same day it was posted on 'X', a little over a month ago!

https://sigforum.com/eve/forum...640066025#4640066025

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Originally posted by nhracecraft:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by HRK:

This was posted back on page 4, the same day it was posted on 'X', a little over a month ago!

https://sigforum.com/eve/forum...640066025#4640066025

Forgot about that... well, it's still pertinent

What is it EXACTLY that I'm supposed to actually fear from FLOCK cameras ? I'm being tracked ? They're selling this data to somebody ? Yeah , I get that. Can I get some specifics here without fearmongering rhetoric attached ?

For those of you who are OK with the "license plate" cameras because your cell phones can be tracked, your prayers have been answered!

License Plate Cameras Will Soon Track Phones, Wearables, Infotainment, and Even Your Pets

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Defense contractor Leonardo is promoting a new technology called SignalTrace that will package plate cameras with sensors that can scrape unique identifiers tied to your smart devices and make that data available to law enforcement.

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Originally posted by selogic:
What is it EXACTLY that I'm supposed to actually fear from FLOCK cameras ? I'm being tracked ? They're selling this data to somebody ? Yeah , I get that. Can I get some specifics here without fearmongering rhetoric attached ?

The Canadian truckers strike during Covid is an example. They debanked people who in any way supported the truckers. They identified those who disagreed with the government and severely punished them. What would your life look like if you had no ability to deposit or withdraw money in a bank, and no access to credit cards?

Or, how about Jan 6? Cell phone pings and facial recognition were used to severely punished people who merely strolled into a building, many of whom were pleasantly assisted by uniformed law enforcement.

Aside from fearing the limitless power of the government, corporations will use the data to annoy you or extract money from you.

Imagine if your car insurance, health insurance, and life insurance rates (perhaps umbrella policy rates?) were 'adjusted' because your insurance companies were able to know everywhere you went, any place you ate or consumed anything, what activities you participated in, how you got there and how often you engaged in ANY of these activities! Further, imagine the potential for those rates to be 'adjusted' based on who you engaged in these activities with as well.

What about being de-banked or having the interest rates you pay 'adjusted' as these institutions see fit. With all that data, it's also conceivable that your rates could be adjusted because of the things that you either do, OR don't do based on what such institutions deem either desirable, or undesirable. Do you ever go to the range, or gun store? Maybe you never go to the gym or engage in exercise/outdoor activities? Do you participate in some corporate or gov't entity's definition of 'risky' behavior(s)? All this data would be great for developing a new 'social credit score' system, potentially affecting virtually every aspect of your life/lifestyle.

While a great tool for law enforcement, the potential downsides of this type of widespread monitoring/data collection, the product of which could be sold to any entity willing to pay for it are significant!

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the product of which could WILL be sold to any entity willing to pay for it are significant!

FIFY