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Originally posted by CPD SIG:

That “smart phone” that 95% of the people have in their pocket is collecting way, Way, WAY more information!

True, but that doesn't negate the issues with Flock and similar surveillance.

Let's say I and a few of my like minded friends like to get together to discuss something which the current government disapproves of. Maybe we're in Virginia and oppose the governor's new gun control. Or we believe there is/was rampant election cheating. Maybe we support an opposition political candidate. Maybe we oppose a lockdown for the upcoming Ebola crisis.

We can leave our cell phones at home while we meet. We can purchase coffee where we meet using cash so there is no data trail. The government cannot deduce that we are some kind of group that they don't like. But with vehicle tracking data they can.

It doesn't take too many data points to accurately identify a person's affiliations and associations. It also is easy to falsely identify someone as a member of a group just with coincidental location.

Here is an interesting video regarding Flock cameras from Louis Rossmann.

"Benn Jordan's flock camera jammer will send you to jail in Florida now"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEllWdK4l_A

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Originally posted by old rugged cross:

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:
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it's not really all that different from me sitting in a patrol car and typing in every plate that passes me.

Is this what your job initials?

I miss the days when the cops didn’t run your plate unless they had a reason…

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Originally posted by CPD SIG:
I don’t know why the eye roll HRK.
That “smart phone” that 95% of the people have in their pocket is collecting way, Way, WAY more information!

FLOCK cameras are just a small part of the shit that’s tracking us.

Please don't take it personally, I did not mean it as a slight to you it's more about the constant "your cell phone tracks you" argument that we've tried to explain just isn't the same thing as FLOCK.

It's not about being tracked as a generalization per se, it's about who's tracking you without permission and sharing your data. That would be FLOCK, do you have a FLOCK app, did you click ok for a FLOCK TOS about how that data will be used, nobody did, some government agency did, and now they are tracking everyone, just about everywhere.

The idea that our decision to buy a smart device, load apps, accept a TOS, and agree to having our data and activities tracked is some how the same as a private company installing recording devices, tracking everyone's movements, providing governments, HOA and corporations with that data without your permission.

They are not the same, one we agreed to, the other nobody agreed to, governments immediately bit on having cameras record people, the "we can track bad guys" story and catch them faster is a great cover in order to allow a private company to track everyone, everywhere, and maintain a massive database of those movements, in the name of "safety".

VTHOKEY said it very well.....

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Originally posted by vthoky:
For many of the rest of us, the potential overreach is unnecessary at best, and offensive later on.

* "You have no expectation of privacy when you're out in public."
Well, perhaps that's so. But neither should I expect that some multibillion-dollar corporation is cataloging every move of mine that it sees, selling that data off to other organizations (LE, insurance, marketing, nosy HOAs, etc) for purposes yet unknown (and likely counter to my own).

* "Your cell phone tracks you. Why do you complain about the Flocks?"
Because my phone is a tool I choose to use, acknowledging that it's likely doing things I don't want it to do, but recognizing that's a cost of my using it. It's a tool that's useful to me, for my purposes. The Flock system, on the other hand, is a tool used by others [potentially and likely] for purposes counter to my own.

Cell Phones and FLOCK are not the same, they don't have a TOS you agree to, they don't allow you to opt out, the supply governments with access to peoples movements without their permission..

Please stop saying it. Of course someone won't read VTHOKY and My comments on it and will post again "Your cell phone tracks you....."

Thank you, HRK.

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Some of the comments on that X post are pretty bold....