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i'm not doing anything illegal

Sooner or later, you won't have a say if you are doing anything illegal.

If you don't think so, remember this?

"Six feet! Six feet!"
"Where is your mask?!"

Sigh... excuse me while I go check my TV settings.
-TVz

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Originally posted by TVzombie:

Sooner or later, you won't have a say if you are doing anything illegal.

If you don't think so, remember this?

"Six feet! Six feet!"
"Where is your mask?!"

I was an "Essential Worker" during the lockdowns and was told to carry the authorization letter with me when I went out of my home. Surveillance cameras could easily be used to identify unapproved people being out.

Such data bases with processing could easily identify people who potentially oppose the government, and who are associating with each other. While my secret meeting in a grocery store aisle with a like-minded refusenik is not easy to detect, data processing could identify a web of us and cause us problems.

All it takes is a person with an agenda to misuse all the data.

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Originally posted by Chowser:
we had a fatal hit and run of a pedestrian the other night. wishing we had more flock cameras in our area. all i got is pickup truck from local business cameras so flock isn't getting much in my area, gotta expand the search parameters.

and if you don't believe your smart phone is not spying on you, you're naive.

personally, i don't care who's tracking me, i'm not doing anything illegal and i'm no one important for anyone to spy on.

Have you a political opinion some blue man-bun haired freak would find they disagree with?
THAT’S why you should care.
You don’t have to be important, you just try to live your life without being screwed with.
That alone is bucking hard against the system and they collect it and it’s only a matter of time before it’s used against anyone THEY choose.

We have amendments to our constitution to help prevent our government from dong the things they say they will never do to us.

Let's chase the chain. Flock records my license plate. State records can link my license plate to me. Anytime I pass by a camera, my whereabouts are recorded. Timestamps on the recordings can be corelated to use of debit or credit cards (cash is no longer king). Over time, AI develops a complete dossier of me on their database. My insurance companies, health and auto, can subscribe to the database. Using AI, those insurance companies establish the most profitable attributes and my dossier is compared to the attributes to ensure I provide adequate profitability. Out of compliance? I would be fired as a customer.

Now consider all the entities that will subscribe to the database what they will do with that information.

well Flock helped us track down our suspect vehicle. It's in Michigan now.

I do have political opinions that some blue haired people would find apalling but I don't go around social media posting anything. I got sued a while ago by a family for wrongful death. That was around the advent of social media. they found me easily enough without using social media. there's enough of your info out there.

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Originally posted by mrvmax:
We have amendments to our constitution to help prevent our government from dong the things they say they will never do to us.

the Second is the first one that comes to mind

problem is, its not the government, its private companies doing this and the government is merely the a subscriber

we have no protections against private companies (we don't even have legitimate protection against the government)

Keep all access strictly controlled by an anonymous rotating network of screened private citizens. Absolutely no access by any government representative be it judicial, legislative, or executive.

Meet that and I still vote no.

Fools are so dead set on handing the keys to the hen house to the coyote with the promise he will behave. Wrap it up in the name of safety and people lose their minds.

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Originally posted by Chowser:
well Flock helped us track down our suspect vehicle. It's in Michigan now.

Just posting an opinion, as far as my thoughts on the subject, not an attack on you or your thoughts per se....

This is great, it did what it should, locate a felons vehicle. Now that should require a court order/warrant JMO. Question is, how many non felon's vehicle data did it record, who did it go to, how many government agencies may have got that intel from FLOCK, what will they do with it...

If FLOCK erases the non relevant data, keeps only the one vehicle data and shares only that vehicle with law enforcement, than more power to them...

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I do have political opinions that some blue haired people would find apalling but I don't go around social media posting anything.

We all do, you just posted this on a gun forum, that could be enough for some leftist government hack, or someone looking for keywords in the feds, you know, like the UK has been doing and arresting people for saying things they don't like and then you are on "the gun list".

Then again, we're probably all on a watch list for SF, G-Talk, Rugerforum et al.

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I got sued a while ago by a family for wrongful death. That was around the advent of social media. they found me easily enough without using social media. there's enough of your info out there.

Sorry about you getting sued by the Pay Me Now Sucker attorneys. Loser pays should be the rule in Civil court but that's another pet peeve LOL

Unreal that gun people keep repeating this, as if a company monitoring civilian movement, and sharing that data with governments without their written permission or a court order/warrant is the same thing as signing up for Instagram or FB.

On a web page/SM site we agree to a TOS to share everything we view or post with them.

With FLOCK we sign no such TOS, the governments do, they shouldn't be monitoring free citizens locations without court order on file.

It's not the same......

After the mayhem that occurred in Austin TX yesterday with some "teens" on a rampage randomly shooting people in the streets and stealing 4 cars in the process, The Austin city Mayor stated having plate readers probably would have been helpful in this situtation.

Last year Austin "deflocked" themselves and removed plate reader cameras due to public backlash.

https://www.kvue.com/video/new...5d-b871-a5db8a572be9

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Originally posted by gpbst3:
After the mayhem that occurred in Austin TX yesterday with some "teens" on a rampage randomly shooting people in the streets and stealing 4 cars in the process, The Austin city Mayor stated having plate readers probably would have been helpful in this situtation.

The problem I see is not finding out who is committing a lot of these crimes. It's keeping them in jail. Across the country, these "teens" are released before the booking paperwork is dry. Many will have a rap sheet a mile long for serious felonies like shootings, carjacking and robbery. They arrest these people over and over and over.

I think pretty much everyone here has said that if limited to legitimate law enforcement in situations like what happened in Austin, Flock type systems would be a good tool.

But we all know how government and cooperating companies abuse data, and the threat to our liberties.

I couldn't agree more, Fly-Sig. I see plenty of legitimate uses as our fine law enforcement members have pointed out. Unfortunately, the potential for abuse is extremely high given the value of the data collected.

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Originally posted by Jupiter:
I couldn't agree more, Fly-Sig. I see plenty of legitimate uses as our fine law enforcement members have pointed out. Unfortunately, the potential for abuse is extremely high given the value of the data collected.

Agree as well, but as you said, you can't trust those who gather the data, nor the governments that obtain it.

Look at VA, banning all semi auto firearms, running an illegal vote to disenfranchise half the states population from representation, their are people that work in DC including the Administration that are working hard to sabotage Trumps agenda.

Politicians and governments are becoming difficult to trust, and Tech is heavy into developing and selling data/AI solutions to governments as it's a guaranteed contract and pay.

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Originally posted by nhtagmember:

problem is, its not the government, its private companies doing this and the government is merely the a subscriber

we have no protections against private companies (we don't even have legitimate protection against the government)

THIS!!!! Sooo much THIS!!!

And if you’re bitching about FLOCK cameras, figure out what your cellphone is doing.

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Originally posted by CPD SIG:
And if you’re bitching about FLOCK cameras, figure out what your cellphone is doing.

I don’t know why the eye roll HRK.
That “smart phone” that 95% of the people have in their pocket is collecting way, Way, WAY more information!

You don’t know me- but I’m pretty much a t-shirt, jeans, flannel shirt kind of guy. Zero need for anything in Sephora (women’s makeup and stuff), never ever looked up Sephora on any computer I use, nor my cellphone. Went shopping with the Wife a while back, she wanted to go into Sephora, and I went with her. Opened up my phone in the store, looked at something on the internet…
Can you tell me why I now have their adds on my phone when looking stuff up?

Go look into the settings on any IPhone, “oh, we’re collecting information for analytical purposes, to make your life easier”

You don’t think those things aren’t tracking your life?
Every thing you look up, your location, (how do you think some of the map applications work regarding traffic conditions?). There was a tracking app by apple during COVID- to map out who’s got Da Rona, and who they were around, who they came in contact with.
And someone, out of the kindness of their heart, just decided that “Da Rona” is over and now there’s no need to use that app anymore.

Who’s collecting, managing, maintaining and **disseminating** all that information?

FLOCK cameras are just a small part of the shit that’s tracking us.

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Originally posted by TVzombie:
Sooner or later, you won't have a say if you are doing anything illegal.

If you don't think so, remember this?

"Six feet! Six feet!"
"Where is your mask?!"

A very good example, I think.

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Originally posted by CPD SIG:
FLOCK cameras are just a small part of the shit that’s tracking us.

True. But that doesn't mean we have to lie down and take it.

For several members here and many more in their profession (law enforcement), Flock cameras are a valuable tool, legitimately useful within their circumstance.

For many of the rest of us, the potential overreach is unnecessary at best, and offensive later on.

* "You have no expectation of privacy when you're out in public."
Well, perhaps that's so. But neither should I expect that some multibillion-dollar corporation is cataloging every move of mine that it sees, selling that data off to other organizations (LE, insurance, marketing, nosy HOAs, etc) for purposes yet unknown (and likely counter to my own).

* "Your cell phone tracks you. Why do you complain about the Flocks?"
Because my phone is a tool I choose to use, acknowledging that it's likely doing things I don't want it to do, but recognizing that's a cost of my using it. It's a tool that's useful to me, for my purposes. The Flock system, on the other hand, is a tool used by others [potentially and likely] for purposes counter to my own.

If I followed somebody around day and night, I'd be criminally charged with stalking.

I think we need to pass laws requiring any data collection or tracking to only be allowed by opting in, and can not be a requirement for the purchase or use of a product or service.

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Originally posted by a1abdj:
and can not be a requirement for the purchase or use of a product or service.

Indeed.