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Originally posted by detroit192:
I will read the entire thread later. We at the Troop I am Committee Chair at are ready for this. The Scout Slogan, Motto, Oath and Law are unchanged. The BSA join every other organization in the World Scouting Movement, other than Saudi Arabi in being coed at all levels. Youth protection principles remain the same. If we can manage 14-20 year olds being outdoors coed we will manage 11-13 year olds. I have the honor of being Assistant Course Director (Assistant Scoutmaster) for a National Youth Leadership Training course this Summer. While not even close to 50/50, most likely only 15% young women make up our staff. I expect my Scouts to act Morally Straight, Helpful, Courteous, Obedient and Clean around females of all ages. Are there obstacles? Hell yes. To those who think this is a dollar grab, just try and guess how much the BSA will have to spend upgrading camp facilities. Even in a moderately resource rich Council such as Atlanta Area Council we do not have multimillions of dollars ready to spend on three Council and numerous District camps.

You want segerated youth outdoor experiences then seek out the few groups doing just that.
As was pointed out to me the BSA and GSA are EXTREMELY different organizations. From the top down, how money is handled, the program is developed, and policies formed these are two incompatible organizations.

If I ask what is the first thing you think of when I say Girl Scouts most would say cookies. When I say Boy Scout, it will be something along the lines of Eagle Scout, camping, hiking, or even straight laced.

And just so that I am clear about following Scouting ideals, I am not hiding behind my screen name, and Bravely proclaim these are the words of:

Marc Steven Shimabukuro
Troop 250 Atlanta Area Council
Troop Committee Chair
Proudly Chartered at
American Legion Post 160
Smyrna, GA

Eagle Scout, Troop 121 Lake Huron Area Council, Class of 1984
Unit Commisioner Downriver District Detroit Area Council
Wood Badge Course EC 409, Troop 1 Gilwell, Bobwhite patrol, busted ticket
20 year hiatus
Wood Badge Course 92-85, Troop 1 Gilwell, Bobwhite patrol, ticket completed 4-2018, beading ceremony TBA
N.Y.L.T. Assistant Scoutmaster (Assistant Course Director) week one Blue Troop, Atlanta Area Council. (Wood Badge third bead eligible upon course closing)



The benefit to the Boys youth is Demonstrating the Aims of Scouting in real life, not just in an abstract single sex environment.
The Aims of Scouting are:
Character Development
Citizenship Training
Physical Fitness

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Originally posted by Pale Horse:

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Originally posted by detroit192:
See my edited post.

Well you kinda proved the point when you went ahead and put a line through boys to change it to youth. It’s not intended to be beneficial to the boys.

Do you feel like you were unable to teach those principles without girls around? Do you think boys will better learn those principles in the presence of girls?

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Originally posted by 1967Goat:

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Originally posted by Gustofer:

This is about progressivism. Nothing more, nothing less. It frightens me how many people don't see this.

Good grief, does everything have to be about politics?

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Originally posted by smschulz:
You can't tell me that the boys and girls want this.
This is entirely contrived by the liberal agenda.
Sad demise to an otherwise worthwhile organization.

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Originally posted by detroit192:

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Originally posted by Pale Horse:

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Originally posted by detroit192:
See my edited post.

Well you kinda proved the point when you went ahead and put a line through boys to change it to youth. It’s not intended to be beneficial to the boys.

Do you feel like you were unable to teach those principles without girls around? Do you think boys will better learn those principles in the presence of girls?

I can not help that you see serving all youth as weakening service to Boys. We are not a Wahhbi Islam based society. If Preteen and Teenage Boys need to separated from Girls to properly develop Character, Citizenship and Fitness we are doing it wrong. I can tell the Scouts in my Troop to act appropriately and assume they will do as I ask, or I can model proper behavior and hold them to those same Character traits and Cizitenship ideals by their deeds.

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Originally posted by DrDan:
I am going to go out on a limb, and speculate on the real reason behind this move. IMHO, the real problem in the BSA is a failure of leadership. It is easy to throw rocks at the national leadership, but the real failure is at the Troop, Pack, and District levels. There are some very well run units, but many mediocre and poorly run units. A poorly run unit drives away new volunteers and boys and becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy of failure. It is easy to point fingers at the "me" culture of parents un-willing to step up and take some leadership roles. But, in my experience, we have a number of parents that are Scouts themselves, but they won't lift a finger. Sure, every volunteer organization faces the 80/20 rule, but to all those that took the Scout Oath, why aren't you stepping up and doing your good turn? At the District level, it is even worse. Though we have a generally decent District, the majority of the volunteer positions remain un-filled. For any Scout that laments the past, I ask, what are you doing to help insure the future? To fill the leadership vacuum, many mothers have stepped up and filled those positions. Once they are there, they ask, "why can't my daughter do this too?" If you want to have boys taught to be men by men, then there have to be men that step up to do it, and too often, they don't. My earlier post about critics not being active in the BSA was directed at this point: if you are a man, have scouting experience, and don't step up to the plate, then quit your bitching, because you, and the others like you, are the problem. The youth, particularly the boys of this country need you. Many hands make light work.

Out of respect for detroit192's boldness, here is my background in Scouting. I was not a Boy Scout growing up, I didn't discover what I was missing until it was too late, but I always regretted the lost opportunity. When my son became of age, I decided he wasn't going to miss out like I did, so I took the plunge. I put my effort were my mouth is:


Assistant Cubmaster
Arrow Of Light Den Leader
Wood Badge S4-86-16-2, Troop 1 Gilwell, Eagle Patrol. Beaded.

Next year, when my son crosses over, I expect to become an ASM and Merit Badge Councilor.

My wife is:

Pack Secretary
Wood Badge S4-89-18-2, Troop 1 Gilwell, Antelope Patrol.

She is already a trained Merit Badge Councilor.

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Originally posted by ulsterman:

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Originally posted by smschulz:
You can't tell me that the boys and girls want this.
This is entirely contrived by the liberal agenda.
Sad demise to an otherwise worthwhile organization.

A laxative will help you get rid of that backup.

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Originally posted by deepocean:
The BSA has sold out their values. There is little left of what I loved when I earned my Eagle thirty+ years ago.

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Originally posted by smschulz:

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Originally posted by ulsterman:

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Originally posted by smschulz:
You can't tell me that the boys and girls want this.
This is entirely contrived by the liberal agenda.
Sad demise to an otherwise worthwhile organization.

A laxative will help you get rid of that backup. Ad hominem.

You are not coherent.

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Originally posted by ElToro:
it was the last thing he did on his own without girls around.