Well it’s fun to talk about but is mostly a nothing burger. Who is she really going to influence? It may make her more marketable as a commentator but beyond that…….yawn.

As I see it this is 100% positive news. The leadership of the modern Democratic Party is way, way out on the tree branch and Gabbard, by her words and actions, is helping to separate that branch from the tree. She clearly stated, in a calm and forthright manner, the reasons why she is leaving the party. She has given logical reasons as to why other moderate democrats might want to do the same. This is what WINNING looks like.

Silent

"The Racine Kenosha Builders Association"... so she's also moving to Wisconsin?

Whether it's a big change in her politics it is a big change in weather!

^^^ Yep!

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As I see it this is 100% positive news.

I don't understand some of the negativity about this.

I was excited about all the tough conservative talk coming from Trey Gowdy, but what came of it? I agree her parting with Dems could sway votes, but right now it just sounds like she's saying a few things we all want to hear. Show me.

If she's a career politician who believed her future was with the Democrats, the gun control talk was toeing the party line. If she now no longer believes that her political future lies with the Democrats, I'd expect that at some point, we'll hear that her opinion on gun control has evolved. I know she's Army Reserve and no stranger to an AR, but posting that picture from page one isn't something a politician would try to do unless they were trying to signal a change in their stance on guns and what they're for. It's not like she did an Obama and posed with a break action shotgun, she's doing practical/tactical stuff with an AR. She knew what she was doing posting that picture - alienating herself from the left.

I think this has been a long time coming from her. I remember hearing her during the debates and thinking that of everyone, she was the one who didn't sound unhinged. I disagreed with her about many things, but she struck me as someone you could actually sit down and have a conversation with about it. Apparently the left doesn't want that.

At the end of the day, a lot of the comments in this thread can be answered simply with "because politician." At the end of the day, it's another high profile person, who appears for all the world to be a fairly sane, rational person leaving the left. That's a voice that isn't speaking for the opposition today. I'll take that win.

Still the enemy.

I don't trust her one bit...

There's a pretty recent video of her out there shooting what looks like a 3gun match, some comment of hers "just trying to keep my edge" or some shit like that. And after all of her anti-2A stuff over the years?
Just because she's leaving the party, doesn't mean she's still not a dem... Just not maybe "as much as" the rest of them.

Sorry, I don't trust a hypocrite further than I can toss one.

She was listed on the WEF young global leader site. So she has ties with Klaus Schwab. So even though she has her head on tighter then the Democrats she would be a no go for any vote from me.

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Originally posted by P220 Smudge:

At the end of the day, a lot of the comments in this thread can be answered simply with "because politician." .

Exactly...
Now show me a politician you can trust.


There's a line from the movie Lone Wolf McQuade-
"The only thing worse than a politician is maybe a child mollester."
Not that I believe that random quotes from cheesy movies are axioms for life, but this one has pretty much reigned true.

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Originally posted by Ozarkwoods:
So she has ties with Klaus Schwab.

So does Trump.

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Originally posted by CPD SIG:
Exactly...
Now show me a politician you can trust.

Not a fucking one of them, especially the "snatch defeat from the jaws of victory" "professional controlled opposition" party Republicans. Worthless, all of them. But it's the system we have, and you know that. Anyone jumping ship from D to R is a win, period.

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Originally posted by CPD SIG:
There's a pretty recent video of her out there shooting what looks like a 3gun match, some comment of hers "just trying to keep my edge" or some shit like that. And after all of her anti-2A stuff over the years?

"After all her anti-2A stuff over the years?" For a Dem, she's been relatively anti-2A-lite. In fact: I suspect she's not so much anti-gun as was doing the absolute minimum she felt compelled to do to try to credibly remain with the party. See: Tulsi Gabbard’s Record On Gun Control Is A Moving Target

In short: She was trying to eat her cake and have it, too.

Politician. Imagine that.

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:

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Originally posted by CPD SIG:
There's a pretty recent video of her out there shooting what looks like a 3gun match, some comment of hers "just trying to keep my edge" or some shit like that. And after all of her anti-2A stuff over the years?

"After all her anti-2A stuff over the years?" For a Dem, she's been relatively anti-2A-lite. In fact: I suspect she's not so much anti-gun as was doing the absolute minimum she felt compelled to do to try to credibly remain with the party. See: Tulsi Gabbard’s Record On Gun Control Is A Moving Target

In short: She was trying to eat her cake and have it, too.

Politician. Imagine that.

And now we should welcome her with open arms?
Naaaa... Not me.

Smudge: yeah, I know it's the system we have, and that's the problem. WE accept it.

That's why I loved Trump, and the "Idea of Trump"! Meaning- Good Ole DJT ain't a politician, and wanted to expose and get rid of the career politicians. And at this point in our history, that's exactly what WE (as in the entire country!) need!

We don’t need to “trust” her nor do we need to support whatever future political aspirations she may have to see this as a big win.

Examples:
Right now in the US senate race in the state of Washington it is a statistical tie. Washington state voter roles lean female and young. Candidate Smiley (Republican) is just a whisper away from knocking a senior democratic senator out of office. Washington is, as we know, a blue state. It will take only a small change in the typical voting pattern for Smiley to win.

The Oregon governorship may flip to the Republican Party. Again, two women vying for the position.

The Arizona governorship looks to be a dead heat. Hobbs will loose a few votes from the Green Party candidate and Gabbards exiting the party might keep a few democratic voters home or cause them to vote green.

Just a guess on my part but I see the timing of Gabbard’s announcement as a very intelligent and strategic move. It fits her beliefs and, if the democrats get pasted come November she emerges as the voice of “I told ya so.”

Besides, someone who’s hated by both Mitt Romney and Hillary Clinton can’t be all bad

Silent

Silent

Yes, we accept it and that's the problem. What's the solution, though? How many times on this forum over the years have we had big debate threads about voting third party because the two party system is bullshit? How does it pan out? I used to be one of those guys who said voting third party isn't throwing your vote away. I grew up. We have what we have and I can't change it, so I accept it.

Trump changed party affiliations a number of times and was a registered Democrat. Honestly, if the political climate when he ran was more like it was in the 90's, he'd have run as a Democrat. I'll be grinning like a Cheshire cat when I vote for him a third time in a few years.




The Democrat party has drifted so far left that people who were "liberals" in the 90's are ultra-nationalist conservatives by today's leftist standards. If Gabbard was around in the early 60's, they'd have said she was a communist. If JFK was running for president today, they'd say he's as bad as Trump, or worse, since he actually did used to grab 'em by the pussy. Maybe what you and I value hasn't changed all that much since the 90's, but what the Democrats value surely has.

What if Tulsi didn’t return her shopping cart?

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Originally posted by Silent:
We don’t need to “trust” her nor do we need to support whatever future political aspirations she may have to see this as a big win.

Examples:
Right now in the US senate race in the state of Washington it is a statistical tie. Washington state voter roles lean female and young. Candidate Smiley (Republican) is just a whisper away from knocking a senior democratic senator out of office. Washington is, as we know, a blue state. It will take only a small change in the typical voting pattern for Smiley to win.

The Oregon governorship may flip to the Republican Party. Again, two women vying for the position.

The Arizona governorship looks to be a dead heat. Hobbs will loose a few votes from the Green Party candidate and Gabbards exiting the party might keep a few democratic voters home or cause them to vote green.

Just a guess on my part but I see the timing of Gabbard’s announcement as a very intelligent and strategic move. It fits her beliefs and, if the democrats get pasted come November she emerges as the voice of “I told ya so.”

Besides, someone who’s hated by both Mitt Romney and Hillary Clinton can’t be all bad

Silent

Silent

This is my perspective as well.

If just 1 million women wake up to her message and resonate… Well done Tulsi Gabbard.

I sure as hell hope Smiley wins! All that nonsense from the Seahawks about her husband wearing the jersey that they gave him… What bullshit!

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Originally posted by xmod:
What if Tulsi didn’t return her shopping cart?

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Originally posted by P220 Smudge:
Yes, we accept it and that's the problem. What's the solution, though? How many times on this forum over the years have we had big debate threads about voting third party because the two party system is bullshit? How does it pan out? I used to be one of those guys who said voting third party isn't throwing your vote away. I grew up. We have what we have and I can't change it, so I accept it.

Therin lies the problem.

WHY is the concept of a solid 3rd party "bullshit"?
Because "Party A" and "Party B" say so. They make it so absurd and such a "look at how crazy they are" option.
WHY?
Because "Party A" and "Party B" don't want to relinquish the cool power and control that they have. They don't want to be exposed for the lying, cheating bastards that they are. Members of "Party A" and "Party B" never held a real job, don't know what work is. And no, being a "corn pop" life guard for a summer, or a half rate bartender who made tips because of a nice pair of tits doesn't count.

If you were a Prince or a King, would you want to give it up?
Career Princes and Kings align themselves so they can always remain in power. That is, until the Paupers get sick of their "let them eat cake" bullshit.

Few, very few of the political animals we have now realize that THEY work for US.
The others expect quite the opposite.

Right, we don't disagree there. What's the solution? Not idealism, a practical solution.

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Originally posted by Skins2881:
Time for her to be called a Nazi or a witch, or both.

I presume you mean by the Dems.

I saw where she was leaving the Demoncrap party but no indications she was going to join the Republicans. I presume she will just be an Independent, and that's OK. She is intelligent and level-headed, and I have usually agreed with her on many issues.

flashguy