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Originally posted by Ryanp225:

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Originally posted by Dusty78:
I hope no one lived in that White House

"Know what is behind and beyond your target"
I see that they miss this rule in cop school on a regular tic.
I'm in the "recklessly discharged his pistol towards someone's home" camp. No way he had any clue where those bullets would impact. You can talk all day about trajectories and calculations but physics is still physics and once that projectile makes ANY contact with something during flight all bets are off on where it's heading.

There was also the cop who initiated the shooting (from the other body cam videos) who was running up behind the dead guy in the line of fire from Rambo shooting through his windshield.

But hey, it looked cool, and now he's internet famous so, there's that....

Cool story, bro. Range rules apply to gunfights. Neat concept. We need to let all the other apostrophe’d and De/LeWhateverJays know so they play by the rules of the range also.


What’s he supposed to do? Use harsh language?

Some of you guys.

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Originally posted by sigmonkey:
Heck if I know, but if I'm in the passenger seat I am aiming for his knees.

Figure I might get a nut to noggin hit, if I'm lucky and he's not.

But then, if I am in the driver's seat and Mr. Badman in 15 yards from me and a threat, I'm gonna try to drive my truck up his asshole.

I like the way you think

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Originally posted by sigmonkey:
Heck if I know, but if I'm in the passenger seat I am aiming for his knees.

Figure I might get a nut to noggin hit, if I'm lucky and he's not.

But then, if I am in the driver's seat and Mr. Badman in 15 yards from me and a threat, I'm gonna try to drive my truck up his asshole.

Right on ... taught to never break seal, use the 5000lb bullet ... it's LOUD when is goes bang inside a vehicle.

The bad guy is a colander. Best outcome and the right people went home to their loved ones at end of shift.

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Originally posted by P220 Smudge:
Cool story, bro. Range rules apply to gunfights. Neat concept. We need to let all the other apostrophe’d and De/LeWhateverJays know so they play by the rules of the range also.


What’s he supposed to do? Use harsh language?

Some of you guys.

Not only apply but become infinitely more important.
If your family was in the house behind this guy you'd be OK with the officers firing indiscriminately into it?
I'm all about cops taking out the trash and keeping each other safe but not at the expense of the people they are supposed to serve and protect.

For those wanting to get a better idea of the distance, look at the videos someone posted a few pages back that show other officers body camera views. Those were the guys that appear to have actually hit the guy and were much closer than the guy shooting from the car.

After the shooting they are walking around the scene so you get a better perspective.
Looks to me that 50 ft. is on the low end and more like 100 ft. or more.

Also the guys on foot were maybe 10-15 ft. from the deceased and were lucky not to catch a stray bullet from the cowboy cop.

If Officer Mag-and-a-Half ever leaves law enforcement, he can always do vocals for a heavy metal band.

God Bless the Men and Women in Blue

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Originally posted by 220-9er:
For those wanting to get a better idea of the distance, look at the videos someone posted a few pages back that show other officers body camera views. Those were the guys that appear to have actually hit the guy and were much closer than the guy shooting from the car.

After the shooting they are walking around the scene so you get a better perspective.
Looks to me that 50 ft. is on the low end and more like 100 ft. or more.

Also the guys on foot were maybe 10-15 ft. from the deceased and were lucky not to catch a stray bullet from the cowboy cop.

Here's a google map link of the area where the shooting took place for you folks who like to measure distance etc...

https://www.google.com/maps/@3...A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

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Originally posted by Copefree:
This is the first time I’ve personally seen an officer open fire through their own windshield, prior to exiting the vehicle.

A few years ago a neighboring PD tried to ram a guy who started shooting at them. The officer returned fire through his windshield and killed the guy.

Years before that we actually brought junk cars to our outdoor range and had everyone practice shooting out of the windshield and side windows.

The perp is from my hometown and I went to school with his grandpa, who was a good guy. Star high school basketball player and then retired from the local police dept. Dead about 10 years now. The thug's dad is a ne'er-do-well radical minor politician and you can see the job he did raising his son.

Good shoot. I wonder how a windshield effects the ballistics? It ain't wrong if it works.

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Originally posted by Ryanp225:

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Originally posted by P220 Smudge:
Cool story, bro. Range rules apply to gunfights. Neat concept. We need to let all the other apostrophe’d and De/LeWhateverJays know so they play by the rules of the range also.


What’s he supposed to do? Use harsh language?

Some of you guys.

Not only apply but become infinitely more important.
If your family was in the house behind this guy you'd be OK with the officers firing indiscriminately into it?
I'm all about cops taking out the trash and keeping each other safe but not at the expense of the people they are supposed to serve and protect.

I was raised by two cops. Both had to shoot. I was once in a townhouse that took bullets from a shooting across the street, literally caught napping while my newly pregnant wife, carrying our first unborn son, was downstairs. The only thing I could do was have her get in a closet on the far end of the house and call 911 wile I kept watch. There was a thread about it, and another forum member was the dispatcher on that call, who may or may not have already posted in this thread. Believe me, I'm totally ok with what I see in these bodycam videos.
/shrug

This is Derby Week here in the “16th Largest City in God Bless ‘Merica”. Look for the BLM folks to be out in force since the national news media are here, and as another member has stated we’ve had three police-involved shootings over last month. Thursday’s Pegasus Parade could be interesting, as we had a couple of the little shits do a shooting along the parade route a few years ago.

We have a DemoCrap Mayor who is running for re-election in November, that is if he can win against a challenger. After 50 years of continuous DemoCrap rule and mis-rule, folks are getting fed-up with the status quo.

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Originally posted by LS1 GTO:
Looks like homie died with his cuffs on.

That's like dying with your boots on but in Homie style.

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Originally posted by P220 Smudge:


I was raised by two cops. Both had to shoot. I was once in a townhouse that took bullets from a shooting across the street, literally caught napping while my newly pregnant wife, carrying our first unborn son, was downstairs. The only thing I could do was have her get in a closet on the far end of the house and call 911 wile I kept watch. There was a thread about it, and another forum member was the dispatcher on that call, who may or may not have already posted in this thread. Believe me, I'm totally ok with what I see in these bodycam videos.
/shrug

Based on your experiences I can respect where you're coming from even though I'd like to see more care given to the innocent bystanders.

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Originally posted by Phantom229:
Good shoot. I wonder how a windshield effects the ballistics? It ain't wrong if it works.

I'm wondering what caliber they use. Seemed to work quite well.

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Originally posted by vic40204:

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Originally posted by LS1 GTO:
Looks like homie died with his cuffs on.

That's like dying with your boots on but in Homie style.

Please don't leave out the dying with his pants down. More street cred in hell.

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Originally posted by HayesGreener:
Don't know this officer's skill level but I can tell you it is possible to shoot accurately through a windshield with a handgun. I also agree that body cam lenses distort the perception of depth. If you shoot at an officer be prepared for incoming. The good guys won this one

I would wager his skills are better than average. The speed and smoothness with which the weapon was presented, assuming from s duty holster, while seated in the drivers seat of a cruiser, is very telling. The lack of hesitation is telling. The confidence exuded is telling.

I train cops to shoot too. Many have hard times removing their guns from their holsters while standing while at the range.

My thought when I saw this video?”this offficer knows what he is about”. I would wager he knew his capabilities and acted within that known envelope and will certainly give him the benefit of doubt while the investigation goes on.

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Originally posted by jljones:
JSBCODY and hayesgreener get the gold star. The correct answer for that particular pistol is 1.5-2 inches (generally) upward at that distance. I ll post more on it later tonight. Auto glass is a funny thing with handguns but having extensively shot them
Up with .40 caliber Glocks I can tell you that the procedure itself is quite accurate. I’m a state certified STOPS instructor and spend a bunch of time watching officers shoot up cars with Glocks.

So from inside the car, rounds angle up slightly. From outside to inside, do the rounds angle down or up? Is 9mm similar to .40? From what I read, Gold Dot is affected less and more consistant, that most other defensive ammo.