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That’s the difference. You’re right . If you see an object he’s charging you with that can cause death or serious bodily injuy It’s not a question. I’m talking about people specifically unarmed and charging | |||
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Yes. Charging at an offcier has always been a really stupid idea, but since Obama declared Open Season on cops in August 2014, I believe it is substantially more dangerous to be a police officer now. And they need to be extra vigilant. As others have said, you don't have to see a gun. it could be a small knife, a razor blade, box cutter, infected needle, a handful of dirt to blind with, etc. They can't all be Chowsers.  . | |||
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How do you know they're unarmed? . | |||
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Why? . | |||
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Down the Rabbit Hole |
Just imagine if guys like Chowser shot even a small percentage of the people he went hand to hand with. His career wouldn't have lasted a month in some of those neighborhoods. Unfortunately, going hands on is part of the job until you have good reason to take it to the next level. Something in the hand surely qualifies as next level. Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." -- George Orwell | |||
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| Something wild is loose  |
In my historical experience, charging at someone with a gun on their hip (unless intent on breaking up evil goings-on, and even then...) has always been a bad idea. Doubly so at anyone with a star on their chest. In the entropy of the Universe however, it does tend to reduce the incidence of fools in the world. Which is a good thing.This message has been edited. Last edited by: Doc H., "And gentlemen in England now abed, shall think themselves accursed they were not here, and hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks that fought with us upon Saint Crispin's Day" | |||
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| The Ice Cream Man |
So many, many years ago, I was in a sport with a lot of very large men, with felony records, and no drug testing. (By no means was everyone a felon but there were some.) If 6’8”, 360# of 8% body fat is running at you, would you worry about him being “unarmed.” That’s about the experience of most women being charged by a 200# construction worker. | |||
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| Thank you Very little  |
Asked and never answered, must be psychic Perhaps the issue isn't armed vs nonarmed, it's that that women shouldn't be cops, and for that matter, cops that can't fight... | |||
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Yes absolutely. If you don't, you won't last long, eventually you will be murdered where you stand or shortly after you hit the pavement. So after answering your question, will you answer this: You're in your home and your door in bashed in and you're bum rushed by a potentially armed dirtbag. Would you be prepared and willing to use deadly force ? Lover of the US Constitution Wile E. Coyote School of DIY Disaster | |||
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And it’s obvious you don’t like the logical answers you are getting. Apparently, you’re just not a fan of the fundamental Right to self defense. ________________ People hate you. Train like it. | |||
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Of course it does, and there's LOTS of them. Half of them are on capital hill. When you're in public, someone nearby hates the USA, hates LEOs, and hates YOU, and would consider it entertaining to see you murdered in plain sight where you stand. If you're in uniform you're a more easily identified target. You're exactly right, they're NOT normal at all. Lover of the US Constitution Wile E. Coyote School of DIY Disaster | |||
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Of course…… someone breaking the door down into your home isn’t even in the realm of the initial question | |||
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Just because it’s the majority of the answers on a gun forum (arguably skewed) doesn’t make it logical. I’m a proponent and self defense. Logical and justified self defense . | |||
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Cops or anyone else should not be expected to play patty cake. Aggressive, targeted action is all that it takes to make intention clear. Cops need to go back to the late 60's and early 70's and start putting the beat down on these idiots. Seems it is the only way they are capable of learning. maybe not even then. Bring back the saps | |||
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You keep getting answers, you are not happy with. Might I suggest you go sign up for your local police citizen academy where they tech you-the citizen-use of force. Then you can see how and why the police are constrained and given the tools they have. Back in the 1980s it was ok to shoot a fleeing person- that changed due to a case in TN. Before that no one batted an eye about police use of force. If your local PD doesn’t have a citizens academy, look around and find one. AND, go on some ride alongs with your sheriff and city cops. “You may beat me, but you will never win.” sigmonkey-2020 “ in my opinion, anything that we can do to trigger a potential aneurysm in a leftist is a good thing and worth doing” nhtagmember 2025 | |||
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| Sigforum K9 handler |
^^^^^^^^^^^Waste of time. I’m guessing this was a talking point in his group at the last “No Kings” rally. ________________ People hate you. Train like it. | |||
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Cmon man……you’re better than that. A discussion has nothing to do with political beliefs. I thought this was a place for healthy discussion and debate sometimes. I’ve seen some disturbing attacks (several to my email) , most deleted. I guess they had second thoughts when they read it over again. | |||
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You're getting direct, reasoned, and logical answers to your honest question, but you're not engaging with equally direct, reasoned, and logical answers of your own. That doesn't give anyone much to work with. Maybe you don't recognize danger, I've met people like that, who can't imagine the possibility of criminal danger in their personal lives and daily routines, as if it only existed for others but not them. And these people are not dumb. They just can't see it. If you're that person it's OK, but if it goes down, you could be less likely to survive the attack than others who think more realistically who are aware of the possibility. Even more so for those who serve in Law Enforcement or Justice. Lover of the US Constitution Wile E. Coyote School of DIY Disaster | |||
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Fortunately, most officers have enough common sense not to shoot anyone who charges them. The body count would add up quickly if they did. Many of these encounters are with mental consumers and drunks. Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." -- George Orwell | |||
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