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Originally posted by jljones:
I do not believe that this thread is going like the OP was hoping.

We just don't have big Cajun muscles...

If we did, we could just give the charging bad guy a judy chop or a kung fu panda kick and he'd flip over backwards and lie still, like in the movies.

Means.

Opportunity.

Intent.


Know it, understand it.

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Originally posted by 6guns:
Why would anyone run at a cop?

That just goes against any normal thinking.

Yeah... when I was a kid my father told me to respect the police and to do as you are told when interacting with the police. I was also told to put my hands at 10 and 2 on the steering wheel so they could be seen when pulled over.
If the police are wrong, it can be sorted out in court. But be respectful and they may even give you a break.

I don't think most kids are taught the same way anymore.

Running at the police is unequivocally enough to get shot.

It's a prime example of poor decision making and you've now escalated the interaction forcing the officer to make a decision. You may not like the officer's decision.

Don't run at the police. That would be dangerous and foolish. This is something you teach children similar to not touching a hot pan or looking carefully before crossing a street.

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Originally posted by braillediver:
Yes. There's no reason to assume they're unarmed.

This.

There's a gear loose in the head of anyone who would run AT a cop in a potentially threatening manner. Running away - that seems at least potentially rational (i.e. trying to escape) but running at one? Hard to impugn reasonable motive for that.

If it's in a nudist colony, maybe the threat of concealed weaponry could be discounted, but not in normal encounters.

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Originally posted by 6guns:
Why would anyone run at a cop?

That just goes against any normal thinking.

Yes, but there is a fairly large contingent of our population to whom "normal thinking" is anything but. Not to mention that there is a (hopefully) smaller group who have negative feelings for law enforcement, and who are willing to take them out on an individual officer. How to tell these folks apart is the hard part, but aggressive running in one's direction is an obvious clue.

I don't think every "runner" is asking to be shot, I expect individual LEOs to use their instincts and training to distinguish an actual threat from a poser, but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt, only they know what they are perceiving. After all, the most used "weapons" are hand and feet. You don't know what kind of martial arts training your potential assailant has had, or their ability to withstand pain so as to inflict harm.

I would assume that anyone rushing towards me on foot does not have my best interests in mind, unless maybe if I'm standing on a railroad track with a train coming through. Every situation is different, to expect that a simple yes or no answer to the OP's question assumes too much.

Here’s one example. I think this officer belongs in jail. She was cleared and promoted.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=...IG9uIGRlYWRseQ%3D%3D

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Originally posted by cajunmuscle:
Here’s one example. I think this officer belongs in jail. She was cleared and promoted.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=...IG9uIGRlYWRseQ%3D%3D

Looks like the guy charges her, she tazes him, he falls down for about 20 seconds, gets back up, charges her again, then she shoots him. Seems reasonable to me. Added to that are the two other guys there that apparently know the first guy.

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Originally posted by trapper189:
Running at the police is unequivocally enough to get shot.

I’m no pro at this, but I figure running at anyone is a quick way to trigger their [physical] defense mechanisms.

I don't understand why you want her in jail. She's by herself and if she is overpowered, the crazy guy is now armed.

If someone keeps charging forward after a TASER hit, he probably just wants a hug. It’s like the guy rolling around on the ground with an officer while trying to take her gun away from her. He’s no doubt just curious about the gun and wants a closer look at it: “Hey, I’ve been thinking of getting a Glock. What do you think about them?”
Happens all the time—or would if the police weren’t so paranoid about everything.

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Originally posted by cajunmuscle:
Here’s one example. I think this officer belongs in jail. She was cleared and promoted.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=...IG9uIGRlYWRseQ%3D%3D

Thankfully there's about 40 years of Supreme Court jurisprudence that disagrees with you.
Did you even listen to the presser?

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Originally posted by cajunmuscle:
Here’s one example. I think this officer belongs in jail. She was cleared and promoted.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=...IG9uIGRlYWRseQ%3D%3D

Just curious, what is the determination sequence to ascertain if the person charging is or isn't armed, and, at the same time, to know if they do charge, if they have the ability to control that person without being harmed or killed by that person.

Are you seriously suggesting that an officer should have to grapple with someone who attacks them first, then, determine in the attack if they have a weapon or not, and, while fighting and if they can't control that person physically, assess the appropriate response based on the type of weapon, or not, then deploy either a) continue to fight if no weapon, B) taser if they get a leg up on the officer, c) if they have a weapon on a specific list such as a knife or gun, then them shoot them,

Of course that's provided that they can a) get to their gun safely, b) get a shot off while being physically attacked c) keep the attacker from grabbing the gun once out of the holster so the officer doesn't get killed by the attacker using their own gun...

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Originally posted by cajunmuscle:
Here’s one example. I think this officer belongs in jail. She was cleared and promoted.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=...IG9uIGRlYWRseQ%3D%3D

Well that just got you added to my ignore list.
That officer was 1000% justified in dropping that guy.

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Originally posted by joel9507:

If it's in a nudist colony, maybe the threat of concealed weaponry could be discounted

This brings back some memories.

Mid 1970s, a local restaurant in Chicago, the Tap Root Pub, was owned by Harley Budd. Harley was a "unique" gentleman, to put it mildly. He had some major run-ins with Richard J. "Da Mare" Daley.

The Tap Root was a small place, only a few tables. They did a good business on weekends, but not very busy on weeknights.

My wife-to-be and I were having dinner there one evening. The other customers had finished and left; we were the only ones remaining. Harley stood in front of the bar and started to remove his clothing.

A local cop, who knew Harley, came in and discussed the situation with him. It turned out that Harley was convinced that Mayor Daley had dispatched a bunch of cops who were about to come rushing in and shoot Harley for resisting arrest, so Harley figured that if he was naked, they would not be able to say that he had a concealed weapon.

Of course, there were no cops waiting to rush in. The one cop who had come in just to say "hi" to Harley, stated that he would go outside and tell the (non-existent) waiting cops that he had the situation under control, and Harley was not resisting. Things calmed down inside the restaurant, our coffee and dessert were comped, Harley put his clothes back on, and the Tap Root continued with business as normal.

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That’s why police are given self-defense training and issued intermediate weapons

So, in the second or two that they would have, you seriously think it would be enough time to deploy, successfully an EDD? Every situation is different so the simplistic original comment is meaningless.

I suspect some of the officers here that actually work in some of these inner cities are getting a chuckle out of some of the comments. In places like Memphis, you better have a hell of a lot more than "they were running at me" before pulling the trigger.

According to this post, the OP is LEO

Then we have this little nugget he posted a while back. "Did anyone see the episode last night? That useless female deputy in Berkeley County allowing that woman to get pummeled in the car without going hands on? When the taser doesnt work you MUST go hands on. Ask, Tell, Make. Her administration should pull her off the street. ZERO officer presence to begin with...total soup sandwich." Quoted from this thread

He just wants to beat people up with those big cajunmuscles I guess. Maybe he's badder than Leroy Brown, but the rest of us are simple humans that have evolved to use the tools we have access to.

We don't have tasers. I wish we did.
Last time a guy ran at me was after he shot a girl, but he was so high that as he was running at me, the thing in his hand (it was a dimly light apartment) turned on so I recognized it as a cell phone just before I pulled the trigger, I flicked the safety up (USP-Compact) and proceeded to whack him in the head with the butt of my gun. He had HK markings all over his head.

I got written up for using the HK (we were issued Glocks). Anyways...yeah, we're probably just going to beat you to death. My dept. likes to fight.

I'm 51, 6' and 188#. I've had my share of hand to hand, I've even been sued for wrongful death/excessive force because of hand to hand, you bet nowadays, I'm just going to shoot you if I see something in your hand that can hurt me as you run at me.