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Applebees deserves blame, and retribution, but the real culprit is the City of New York...
 
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Originally posted by steve495:
This was a staged protest in NYC, at multiple establishments. Over the past few days, protestors visited restaurant establishments, went in, sat down and refused to show their vaccination cards.

I'm certain there are venues who will happily serve those customers, but in these instances, the establishments refused service and asked the customers to leave. They did not leave and demanded to be served. Again, this was a pre-planned staged protest.

When protests like this occur, law enforcement gets called.

This was not cops wandering around checking vaccination cards at Applebees, Shake Shack or The Cheesecake Factory.

https://www.businessinsider.co...tory-protest-2021-12

https://www.insider.com/anti-v...rk-applebees-2021-12

https://www.independent.co.uk/...lebees-b1977682.html


Thanks for providing some necessary context. No, I don't believe we are on the slippery slope to sending American Citizens to concentration or re-education camps, because of stupid laws requiring proof of vaccination. There's a huge difference between dealing with "protesters" that knowingly act in defiance to the law so they'll force officers into these situations and victims of "police oppression." They wanted a confrontation so they could use civil disobedience to make their point PUBLICLY. Comparing these situations to Jews forcibly removed from their own homes and sent to death camps isn't just ridiculous, it minimizes the real horrors that were the Holocaust and unfairly paints cops stuck between two agendas as "Jack Booted Thugs." Roll Eyes


Well said, at every level, especially comparing this to the Holocaust.

And if I were to be dispatched to a call about trespassers, it will be resolved. They can leave, or they can face the consequences spelled out in statutory law.
 
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Sounds almost racist.

If a restaurant chooses not to serve blacks does the statutory law for trespassing allow for Police to ask them to leave or arrest them if they do not comply?

Is this the America we are becoming, surely I hope not.

A bit of history for those of the current generation.




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The comparison to the rioting antifa and blm groups is very appropriate. The cops know who they can get away with being hard asses to.




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The comparison to the rioting antifa and blm groups is very appropriate. The cops know who they can get away with being hard asses to.


Ding Ding!

They selectively enforce the law based on how easy it will be. They know they'll get a ration of shit for arresting a BLM/Antifa protestor so they let them run wild.

Some people protesting vaccine mandates?

Book'em Danno, time to flex my cop muscles.

The NYPD of 2021 is not the NYPD of 2001.

But then it's NY, so realistically I don't care.
 
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I don't think that arresting rioters versus arresting sit-down protesters compare in context. Plenty of people got arrested during BLM riots, including locally a state Senator who was tear-gassed in the process. But battling violent rioters no way compares to hooking up non-violent protestors sitting in an Applebees.
 
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Seems to me that it appears to have been a Sit-In similar to Greensboro in the 60’s.
Were not those black students trespassing, with a Sit-In at a restaurant?

The NYPD acted differently in this instance, why?
Because they were enforcing a mandate, not a law.



“We’re in a situation where we have put together, and you guys did it for our administration…President Obama’s administration before this. We have put together, I think, the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics,”
Pres. Select, Joe Biden

“Let’s go, Brandon” Kelli Stavast, 2 Oct. 2021
 
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Originally posted by steve495:
This was a staged protest in NYC, at multiple establishments. Over the past few days, protestors visited restaurant establishments, went in, sat down and refused to show their vaccination cards.

I'm certain there are venues who will happily serve those customers, but in these instances, the establishments refused service and asked the customers to leave. They did not leave and demanded to be served. Again, this was a pre-planned staged protest.

When protests like this occur, law enforcement gets called.

This was not cops wandering around checking vaccination cards at Applebees, Shake Shack or The Cheesecake Factory.

https://www.businessinsider.co...tory-protest-2021-12

https://www.insider.com/anti-v...rk-applebees-2021-12

https://www.independent.co.uk/...lebees-b1977682.html


That doesn't look like the same people from the protests a few weeks ago. Do you have anything to back up that this video is from those protests?



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According to New York City.gov from 2018 annual report, 40% of their population is foreign born. Nobody's gonna do nothing to stop this shit. Foreign born are used to producing papers. And there aren’t enough natives with cojones to say much either. Sad to say but that’s reality.






 
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After additional reading, I'm going to request the title of this thread be changed. In no way was this NYPD doing "compliance checks."

This shitstorm is just that. Politicians lying and writing more and more "emergency declarations" that should have long expired as there has been plenty of time for the state legislatures to legislate and do their jobs.

All of this was expected, but "spicing up" stories with false headlines and video with no context does no good IMO. Hell, Ace of Spades HQ just posted one of the videos from the protests. His headline claims cops were kicking out a family because a 5-year-old kid did not have a vax card. That's just not true. It was part of the protest and the family brought the kids along to protest.


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Staged or not, NY is just another place On the list that does not want my money.

Me and many millions more are persona non grata in multiple states and countries. Fine with me.
 
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After additional reading, I'm going to request the title of this thread be changed. In no way was this NYPD doing "compliance checks."
I see your point.

There was also no evidence that those doing the Sit-In were unvaccinated, so I corrected that as well.
Added detail that the check for papers was at the request of Applebee’s.

I believe the thread title to now be accurate.



“We’re in a situation where we have put together, and you guys did it for our administration…President Obama’s administration before this. We have put together, I think, the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics,”
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“Let’s go, Brandon” Kelli Stavast, 2 Oct. 2021
 
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That doesn't look like the same people from the protests a few weeks ago. Do you have anything to back up that this video is from those protests?


I never said it was the same people. These are protests, organized by small groups of people.

It looks like 30 went to Cheesecake Factory back in mid-December and a second group visited Applebee's a day or so after that. Same mall. They also visited Shake Shack about the same time frame as I understand. None of this - including the video in the OP - happened in the last couple of days. It all happened around Dec. 15-17.

Edited to add - I can not confirm the location or timing, but this is at about the same time at Shake Shack. The small group ordered their food for take out (no card required) and then went into the seating area as a protest and started eating.
https://twitter.com/L2FTV/status/1471263203904655375


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But battling violent rioters no way compares to hooking up non-violent protestors sitting in an Applebees.

Ah, nuance, how convenient. Just like that, we can completely ignore that "hooking up" non-violent ordinary citizens is so much safer (physically, in terms of how the media will react, in terms of careers and in terms of civil liability) than "battling violent rioters".

And just like that, Art Acevedo becomes the face of 21st century policing - no matter how many honest, professional police officers suffered in order for him to get there.
 
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I believe the thread title to now be accurate.


We can agree to disagree. IMO, it's a click bait sensational headline. Nowhere in the OP does it even hint this was a planned protest.

As a side note, I think the vax mandates are absolutely wrong and praise people who fight for their right to make their own health decisions.


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Was the Greensboro Sit-In at the Woolworths lunch counter a planned protest?
(Video posted above in thread)

I believe the sit-in at Woolworths and the sit-in at Applebee’s are very similar.
Very similar other than the actions taken by the Police and possibly Woolworths was spontaneous.

I fail to see the difference between a planned and spontaneous protest.
Why would that matter.



“We’re in a situation where we have put together, and you guys did it for our administration…President Obama’s administration before this. We have put together, I think, the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics,”
Pres. Select, Joe Biden

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That doesn't look like the same people from the protests a few weeks ago. Do you have anything to back up that this video is from those protests?


I never said it was the same people. These are protests, organized by small groups of people.

It looks like 30 went to Cheesecake Factory back in mid-December and a second group visited Applebee's a day or so after that. Same mall. They also visited Shake Shack about the same time frame as I understand. None of this - including the video in the OP - happened in the last couple of days. It all happened around Dec. 15-17.

Edited to add - I can not confirm the location or timing, but this is at about the same time at Shake Shack. The small group ordered their food for take out (no card required) and then went into the seating area as a protest and started eating.
https://twitter.com/L2FTV/status/1471263203904655375


How do you know that the OP's video was taken during the protests of a few weeks ago? I tried looking at the videos to find same people or anything to identify the video as being an older one. It may very well be, but I couldn't tell anything other than it appears to be same Applebee's.

The two mom's with their kids didn't appear to be chanting anything or be active participants in a protest.



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Does nypd show up in a timely manner for say, a ~$30 shoplifting call? What about people calling in dopers, car prowls, drug deals?
 
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And now the words Show Me Your Papers "citizen" can be heard...Its only a matter of time....


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But battling violent rioters no way compares to hooking up non-violent protestors sitting in an Applebees.

Ah, nuance, how convenient. Just like that, we can completely ignore that "hooking up" non-violent ordinary citizens is so much safer (physically, in terms of how the media will react, in terms of careers and in terms of civil liability) than "battling violent rioters".

And just like that, Art Acevedo becomes the face of 21st century policing - no matter how many honest, professional police officers suffered in order for him to get there.


Do you have any clue as to the number of police officers, deputy sheriff's and sate troopers were injured during eh BLM riots>

Stand in the arena, then get back to me.

https://www.wdrb.com/news/nati...31-a3e24704f86a.html

https://www.policemag.com/5851...s-protests-and-riots
 
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