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Originally posted by LoungeChair:
They are violating the restaurant’s rules and are trespassing. The violators were given the opportunity to leave without arrest and they decided to take the “patriot“ route.
They deserve zero sympathy.

“Those in compliance have nothing to fear”

Laws existed in the past which were later found to be UnConstitutional. Lets not keep reminding ourselves that the Courts constantly review laws and determine that a legislative body overstepped it's bounds and the Court was required to overturn it.

Happens all the time. It's called checks and balances. What happened to a certain mandate for vaccination and was it overturned? Yes.

Now, consider where these arrests will wind up. First, the NYPD only has so many cells to fill. And if they don't catch and release, same as certain offenders who go right back on the street to continue their activities, that will be a lawsuit - against the Courts.

Then the offense is taken up in that jurisdiction, and the State has to prove it does have said jurisdiction - they have to explain what law they are enforcing and how it's founded on the legislative approval as signed by an authority having jurisdiction. City Council? or - one page "the Mayor says so."

When you get more than a few then it also leads to a class action lawsuit, and Civil Rights will get wrapped up in that, which then leads to a Federal suit and determination by judges other than the local jurisdiction.

Boils down to" Bring it. The NYPD will get a bloody nose just from video going viral, the Union will finally have to backpedal, and the City will have the people on their back. And who does the city council work for, and get voted in by?

Big can of worms just got opened. This isn't Australia, and the People of NY won't put up with it. Long term - best thing that could have happened. This will force De Blasio out of office.

Lots of comments about the PD overstepping it's discretion, what they are really doing is showing how bureaucrats and a few elected officials are the real culprits. Don't blame the cops - who told them they had to do it? Why let them off the hook to stay in office and try something else later.

We aint seen nothing yet.

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Originally posted by Tirod:
This will force De Blasio out of office.

DeBlasio leaves office at midnight on 12/31....In THREE Days! He was essentially voted out of office though he was not on the ballot/term limited. This is just his last ditch effort/'death rattle' to inflict pain via a GDC Commie Policy Dictate and stick a knife in the backs of New Yorkers one last time on the way out the door!

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Originally posted by ruger357:
File this under “police will never go door to door enforcing unconstitutional laws and taking away your guns”.

They'll do it in a New York minute.

^^^Well, they could try...

They 'might' have some success in certain locals, but I'd guess the results of those efforts would likely be quite the news story in many areas!

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Originally posted by LoungeChair:
They are violating the restaurant’s rules and are trespassing. The violators were given the opportunity to leave without arrest and they decided to take the “patriot“ route.
They deserve zero sympathy.

With all due respect, horse shit. One, there is no 'law' the police are enforcing. This is a dictatorial mandate by a mayor who is 1) a total moron, and 2) out the door in a matter of days. If these were police officers (which they are most assuredly not), they could have called out sick for a few days, 'or', got with their union reps and actively refused to enforce this BS. Applebee's is only trying to avoid a huge (also illegal) fine via the mayor's mandate(s). Their business is to feed people, so tossing them out for simply trying to order a meal would not have happened without Mayor Moron F'ing up the entire city.

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Originally posted by Tirod:
Lots of comments about the PD overstepping it's discretion, what they are really doing is showing how bureaucrats and a few elected officials are the real culprits. Don't blame the cops - who told them they had to do it? Why let them off the hook to stay in office and try something else later.

Let's take that a bit further shall we. So if DeBlasio ordered police to 'shoot' people who resist this mandate, would police bear any blame in that scenario, or would it still be the politicians?

The latest fashion accessory for New Yorkers.

they're no longer police and should have zero protections afforded legitimate law enforcement officers

let the chips fall where they may

Shit is going to hit the fan sooner than later if this continues to the tyranny level that New Zealand or Australia or other countries deploy.

It won't be pretty.

If you are asked to leave an establishment and refuse to go, you are trespassing. Check. But this is not an appropriate use of police resources. The Commissioner should simply give orders that they are not responding to COVID complaints.

^^^We don't know that any of those arrested were 'asked to leave' and refused. At least one video of this 'police action', including the one in the OP, seems to indicate that they merely failed to produce the proper 'papers', which then triggered the 'Jack Boot Thuggery' by the NYPD...

This was a staged protest in NYC, at multiple establishments. Over the past few days couple of weeks, protestors visited restaurant establishments, went in, sat down and refused to show their vaccination cards.

I'm certain there are venues who will happily serve those customers, but in these instances, the establishments refused service and asked the customers to leave. They did not leave and demanded to be served. Again, this was a pre-planned staged protest.

When protests like this occur, law enforcement gets called.

This was not cops wandering around checking vaccination cards at Applebees, Shake Shack or The Cheesecake Factory.

https://www.businessinsider.co...tory-protest-2021-12

https://www.insider.com/anti-v...rk-applebees-2021-12

https://www.independent.co.uk/...lebees-b1977682.html

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When protests like this occur, law enforcement gets called.

Same as an ANTIFA protest or BLM cops are called? when the police show up, they stand at the end of the roads and do nothing, per the government even though the "protesters" are looting inside private property, destroying it, etc...

What appears as the point in some posts, same law enforcement shows up but doesn't do anything , walks in, tells everyone, you need to leave and that's it.

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This was not cops wandering around checking vaccination cards at Applebees, Shake Shack or The Cheesecake Factory.

Agree, but someone had to call it in then, who called the cops, the protesters, Applebee's, and again, same cops wouldn't arrest protesters in the same city, for what Political speech?

Who filed the trespass charge, unless the cops know you are trespassing someone had to tell them they wanted them removed for trespass.. Unless the property owner requests it, is it normal for police to come up to people, check ID and if the property they are on or in isn't theirs, arrest them?

I'd agree it was probably staged, but many times these things are staged to get a reaction and arrest so that it can be challenged in court or exposed nationally.

OTOH law enforcement could have taken them in in concert with the protest to help make the point of the absurdity of the law under DeeBlasheho...

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Originally posted by HayesGreener:
If you are asked to leave an establishment and refuse to go, you are trespassing. Check. But this is not an appropriate use of police resources.

I'm confused. You are asked to leave. You refuse. You are now trespassing. At this point the property owner has what recourse other than to call the police for assistance?

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Originally posted by steve495:
This was a staged protest in NYC, at multiple establishments. Over the past few days, protestors visited restaurant establishments, went in, sat down and refused to show their vaccination cards.

I'm certain there are venues who will happily serve those customers, but in these instances, the establishments refused service and asked the customers to leave. They did not leave and demanded to be served. Again, this was a pre-planned staged protest.

When protests like this occur, law enforcement gets called.

This was not cops wandering around checking vaccination cards at Applebees, Shake Shack or The Cheesecake Factory.

https://www.businessinsider.co...tory-protest-2021-12

https://www.insider.com/anti-v...rk-applebees-2021-12

https://www.independent.co.uk/...lebees-b1977682.html

Thanks for providing some necessary context. No, I don't believe we are on the slippery slope to sending American Citizens to concentration or re-education camps, because of stupid laws requiring proof of vaccination. There's a huge difference between dealing with "protesters" that knowingly act in defiance to the law so they'll force officers into these situations and victims of "police oppression." They wanted a confrontation so they could use civil disobedience to make their point PUBLICLY. Comparing these situations to Jews forcibly removed from their own homes and sent to death camps isn't just ridiculous, it minimizes the real horrors that were the Holocaust and unfairly paints cops stuck between two agendas as "Jack Booted Thugs."

Seems to me to be a Bone Head Move for Applebee’s.

Shit for food.
Shit for service.
Contempt for their customers.

Applebee’s is circling the drain with the rest of New York.

When the handle is pulled to flush, don’t let your Liberal/Marxist ideologically flow to other states.

I'll ask again, what law is everyone talking about? Did Deblasio actually sign into law a bill requiring these vaccines?

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Originally posted by HRK:

Same as an ANTIFA protest or BLM cops are called? ...

Since you quoted me, are you asking me a question or questions? I did not comment on any of that, just laid out some context and said the cops were going to show up.

What triggered the response or happens(ed) after they show up is all speculation as it is not specified anywhere in the news. The video in the OP has zero context, and who knows how factual the tweets on the subject are. One states...

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A group of 30 + antivaxxers claiming to be doing a “sit in” refused to check in at the host stand, skipped waiting customers, and sat themselves across multiple tables in a Cheesecake Factory in NYC.

Governed by Dictator Mandates, must be in the Constitution, Bill of Rights, Mein Kampf, or some such literature.

I am sure the NYPD is surely upholding something.

No matter how you slice it this is Thuggery Under Color of Law.