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Originally posted by sigalert:
Para,

If this is in reference to my post, I agree completely. I’m not making any excuses for anyone.

I didn't even see your post. I'm responding to one of the talking points used by those who might try to defend this ridiculous episode.

This is exactly our problem

You all are ready to throw this guy into the trash because of ONE COMMENT he makes?

Meanwhile, the Democrats continue to win because they don't throw their key people away at the slightest hint of incorrect speech. No, they are ultra-loyal, almost frighteningly so.

Sometimes I think we are our own worst enemies here.

The events of 1-6 were not a boost for conservatives in any way. That said, Cruz has spent enough time the swamp to distance himself from 1-6 without using the term terrorist. I dont think he is winning any support from anyone, regardless of what his aims may be

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Sometimes I think we are our own worst enemies here.

Conservatives, pulling defeat from the Jaws of Victory for over 200 years...

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Originally posted by HRK:

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Sometimes I think we are our own worst enemies here.

Conservatives, pulling defeat from the Jaws of Victory for over 200 years...

No shit.

Conservatives think that they can win by presenting the countervailing argument. You can’t change someone’s religion like that easily.

There are lots of Republicans that don’t deserve a conservative vote. At least half.

Only reason we had a decent president was because he wasn’t a typical politician. He threatened the income of everybody in the swamp and that was shoved out.

Trump was no Republican. He was a fighter, winner and an American.

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Originally posted by Modern Day Savage:
I've been a Ted Cruz supporter for several years and greatly respect and admire his intellectual and speaking abilities.. and so I'm disappointed by his stance and choice of words on the J6 riot.

January 6th 2021 I cleared my schedule and stayed home specifically to watch the congressional proceeding on the certification of the vote. Partly just because I was curious about a part of our electoral process that is typically mundane and routine and didn't know much about, and partly because I wanted to see how Vice President Pence and the other members involved would respond, in light of the election allegations.

Watching it on C-SPAN, I first heard and then, soon after, saw the results of the riot as it occurred in real time in the chamber during the proceeding, heard the banging and shouting off camera, and watched members, aids, and security personnel react in confusion.

Go back to comments made on this forum that day a year ago; many of us believed we were watching the opening action to the next revolution. Sort of like after the initial December 7th Pearl Harbor attack or after the initial September 11th attacks, when there were very real fears those were just the initial attacks, and further attacks might follow.

Elected leaders, politicians, including Ted Cruz, watched the J6 event just as we did, and made snap assessments based on limited information, including whether to reject or support the event. I can forgive Republicans who made comments I disagreed with on that day... but a year after the event, with more facts uncovered, I would hope they would correct or walk back comments made during the riot.

Speculation on my part, but maybe Ted Cruz feels it's better, politically speaking, to hold to comments and positions he established last J6, rather than apologize or walk them back... but it's disappointing for sure.

You sound like K. Harris. This was not the bombing of Pearl Harbor or 9/11. It was a bunch of idiots who threw a temper tandrum after following a much smaller group of bigger idiots or maybe even government/ANTIFA actors.

It was an embarrassment, but in no way is it comparable to the other famous dates engraved in or memories eternally. Giving it a cute name like J6 is exactly what the people using this as a weapon against us want.

Stop giving these idiots weapons. The participants should be charged with destruction of government property, assault, or trespassing based on the crimes they did. They are being charged like they were trying to overthrow the government. They got wrapped up in the mob and acted a fool, some were just grandmas wondering through.

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Originally posted by Skins2881:

You sound like K. Harris. This was not the bombing of Pearl Harbor or 9/11. It was a bunch of idiots who threw a temper tandrum after following a much smaller group of bigger idiots or maybe even government/ANTIFA actors.

It was an embarrassment, but in no way is it comparable to the other famous dates engraved in or memories eternally. Giving it a cute name like J6 is exactly what the people using this as a weapon against us want.

Stop giving these idiots weapons. The participants should be charged with destruction of government property, assault, or trespassing based on the crimes they did. They are being charged like they were trying to overthrow the government. They got wrapped up in the mob and acted a fool, some were just grandmas wondering through.

Don’t forget that they shot an unarmed veteran.

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Originally posted by PASig:
This is exactly our problem

You all are ready to throw this guy into the trash because of ONE COMMENT he makes?

Meanwhile, the Democrats continue to win because they don't throw their key people away at the slightest hint of incorrect speech. No, they are ultra-loyal, almost frighteningly so.

Sometimes I think we are our own worst enemies here.

You hit the nail on the head. I've seen this a hundred times at least on gun boards. If a Republican does just ONE thing the poster doesn't like he throws him under the bus.

IMO, it's the main reason why we lose elections more than we should.

We are all accountable for our words.
Ted Cruz is wicked smart and chooses his words on purpose.

Calling trespassers (btw, that’s a strange use of the word for the people entering the People’s house … trespass in the people house would have been unbelievable notion (how do you trust pass your own property?) in the 19th century) an insurrection is no bueno in my book.

347 Violent protest and riots burning down whole sections of our major cities is ignored, while a couple of people walking on some carpet… Jail for 2500 people!

I rather liked being despicable, it had a nicer ring to it than supporter. I feel like I was downgraded.

I'm not advocating we turn on Cruz. He's one of our smartest and ablest politicians. I truly can't fathom why Republicans aren't screaming at the top of their lungs that this wasn't an 'insurrection' every time they get near a live microphone. Instead, we have one of our best guys conceding it was an act of terror. Cruz needs to stay on point. It was exactly what you guys are describing...a sloppy riot by some of our less intelligent supporters.

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Originally posted by bdylan:
I truly can't fathom why Republicans aren't screaming at the top of their lungs that this wasn't an 'insurrection' every time they get near a live microphone.

Excellent point and completely agree.

What good would it do? What effect would it have?

You guys want to blame someone, blame the idiots who pulled this ridiculous, pointless stunt that will be used to bludgeon us at every turn.

Absolute consensus from Republicans would at least give a counter point to the relentless media spin. People like Cruz need to condemn the violence and quickly pivot to the counter narrative. The average American knows the media works for the Democrats...they can't be expected to decipher what angle Cruz is playing. It wasn't a helpful statement for anyone. The idea that we can get this behind us if we just condemn those idiots is just not true. Our 'party' should be supplying a cohesive counter argument.

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Originally posted by Skins2881:

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Originally posted by Modern Day Savage:
I've been a Ted Cruz supporter for several years and greatly respect and admire his intellectual and speaking abilities.. and so I'm disappointed by his stance and choice of words on the J6 riot.

January 6th 2021 I cleared my schedule and stayed home specifically to watch the congressional proceeding on the certification of the vote. Partly just because I was curious about a part of our electoral process that is typically mundane and routine and didn't know much about, and partly because I wanted to see how Vice President Pence and the other members involved would respond, in light of the election allegations.

Watching it on C-SPAN, I first heard and then, soon after, saw the results of the riot as it occurred in real time in the chamber during the proceeding, heard the banging and shouting off camera, and watched members, aids, and security personnel react in confusion.

Go back to comments made on this forum that day a year ago; many of us believed we were watching the opening action to the next revolution. Sort of like after the initial December 7th Pearl Harbor attack or after the initial September 11th attacks, when there were very real fears those were just the initial attacks, and further attacks might follow.

Elected leaders, politicians, including Ted Cruz, watched the J6 event just as we did, and made snap assessments based on limited information, including whether to reject or support the event. I can forgive Republicans who made comments I disagreed with on that day... but a year after the event, with more facts uncovered, I would hope they would correct or walk back comments made during the riot.

Speculation on my part, but maybe Ted Cruz feels it's better, politically speaking, to hold to comments and positions he established last J6, rather than apologize or walk them back... but it's disappointing for sure.

You sound like K. Harris. This was not the bombing of Pearl Harbor or 9/11. It was a bunch of idiots who threw a temper tandrum after following a much smaller group of bigger idiots or maybe even government/ANTIFA actors.

It was an embarrassment, but in no way is it comparable to the other famous dates engraved in or memories eternally. Giving it a cute name like J6 is exactly what the people using this as a weapon against us want.

Stop giving these idiots weapons. The participants should be charged with destruction of government property, assault, or trespassing based on the crimes they did. They are being charged like they were trying to overthrow the government. They got wrapped up in the mob and acted a fool, some were just grandmas wondering through.

For the record, I hadn't even heard Vice President Harris' comments comparing the J6 January 6th riot to the Pearl Harbor or September 11th attacks until after I posted my comments in this thread, so it's just an unfortunate coincidence we used the same example... but my point stands.

Read my comments again, I was NOT comparing the J6 January 6th riot to the Pearl Harbor and September 11th attacks. In terms of severity, destructiveness, and importance J6 January 6th doesn't even come close. 2403 people died, with the loss of a large portion of the Pacific fleet at Pearl Harbor, leaving our West Coast vulnerable, and ultimately leading to a world war. 2996 people died during the September 11th attacks, with the Pentagon severely damaged and a severe disruption of the U.S. economy, and again leading to wars.

The J6 January 6th riots led to the deaths of 2-5 people and a few hundred thousand dollars to a couple million in damages, depending on which source is being used.

Hell, the BLM/ Antifa riots were way more costly in terms of lives lost and the two billion dollars in property damage/ destruction, than the J6 January 6th riot.

It's as ridiculous to compare the J6 January 6th riot to Pearl Harbor and September 11th attacks as it was for both President Trump and AOC to compare COVID-19 to WW I or WW II.

But, there is one way they are similar, and that is the uncertainty that comes with surprise attacks. All three of these events were followed by uncertainty about whether the initial attacks would be followed up by more soon after.

I'm making the point that Senator Ted Cruz made comments and adopted a position in a confusing and rapidly evolving emergency.

I have zero problem prosecuting the J6 January 6th trespassers, those who damaged/ destroyed property, and those few who committed violent acts for their crimes, but they were not "insurrectionists". But if those J6 January 6th rioters are being prosecuted/ punished, then the BLM/ Antifa rioters and real insurrectionists in CHAZ/ CHOP need to be prosecuted and punished also.

"J6" has been in common use in several articles about the riot, and it's not a "cute name", but just a short hand reference when discussing an important event. Until somebody comes up with a better name that is acceptable and understood, its just a term of convenience.

At this point, I have no plans to back my support away from Senator Cruz. My disappointment in his position and comments doesn't mean I won't back him in the future.

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Originally posted by Modern Day Savage:
J6 has been in common use in several articles about the riot, and it's not a "cute name", but just a short hand reference when discussing an important event.

We're not going to use it here.

Fair enough. Do you have a preference?

Yes, I prefer that you not use it.

I'm inclined to give Cruz the benefit of the doubt here. Between his being a politician as Para pointed out, who knows that supporting the Jan 6th protest is a losing cause and his father's experience in Cuba...I do believe Cruz still believes in America.

I liked most of the things Trump did as President, but I think given Biden's unpopularity and Trump's actions on Jan 6th and denial of election results that we're better off with a different candidate if we want to win.

See how the left can remake history and they always get away with it.


Biden, Pelosi Claim Officer Slain In Black Nationalist Attack Actually Died On January 6

https://nationalfile.com/biden...ally-died-january-6/

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) and Democrat president Joe Biden falsely claimed this week that Capitol Police officer Billy Evans died as a result of election integrity protests on January 6, 2021, when in reality Evans was killed by a left-wing black nationalist in April 2021.
“Jill and I have mourned police officers in this Capitol rotunda not once but twice in the wake of January 6,” Biden pontificated on Thursday. “Once to honor Officer Brian Sicknick, who lost his life the day after the attack. The second time to honor Officer Billy Evans, who lost his life defending the Capitol as well.”

Evans actually died in April, when black Nation of Islam supporter Noah Green drove his car through the north gate on Constitution Avenue, and fatally struck Evans. He then rammed the police car blocking the barricade,and charged another officer with a knife before being shot and killed.

Nancy Pelosi went on to repeat the lie that Evans’ death was connected to Jan. 6.

“Let us acknowledge today, as I conclude, I want to acknowledge our fallen heroes of that day,” Pelosi declared. “U.S. Capitol Police Officer Brian Sicknick, U.S. Capitol Police officer Howard Liebengood, Metropolitan officer Jeffrey Smith, U.S. Capitol police officer Billy Evans of a later assault.”

Trending: MATT GAETZ: Jan. 6 Wasn't An Insurrection, But May Very Well Have Been A 'Fedsurrection'
“Dear God not only does she lie about Sicknick, Smith and Liebengood but she shamefully adds the killing of Billy Evans, who was killed in APRIL by a Nation of Islam follower,” American Greatness’ Julie Kelly wrote on Twitter. “These people are depraved.”

“This award is given in recognition of your sacrifice in making your word bond and completing your 2021 Savior’s Day gift in the amount of $1,085.000. May Allah continue to bless you!” a description of the “Certificate Of Completion” Noah Green received for his donation to the Nation of Islam read.

Green posted the photo of his donation certificate to his Facebook page on March 17, roughly two weeks before he reportedly went on a deadly rampage with a vehicle and a bladed weapon that left Capitol Police officer William F. Evans dead, and another officer seriously injured.