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Many of you know that I was once a big supporter of Ted Cruz...

January 6, 2022
What happened to Ted Cruz?
By Thomas Lifson

I know from the volume of email I’ve received on it that Ted Cruz’s comments on January 6, 2021, calling it “a violent terrorist attack on the Capitol” have outraged many conservatives. Ted was once the darling of intellectually inclined conservatives, but I think the bloom is now off that rose.

Tucker Carlson used video of Cruz’s comments as the keystone of a segment on how Republicans are being cowardly and granting Democrats their false premises on the riot at the Capitol being an insurrection or even a “terrorist attack.” As Tucker put it, he was delivering talking points for Merrick Garland.



Here is Tucker’s brief segment:



So, what could possibly have happened to Ted to turn him into a shill for Democrat talking points?

Is he feeling pressure over having protested voting results and fears being branded as an insurrectionist? Maybe he thinks Mark Elias’s scheme to disqualify Republicans from running for office is a real threat to him. But he should know that appeasing the enemy does not work.

Has he been in the Senate too long, and now wants to avoid confrontation with the Democrats? “Comity” is the word that used to be used, but these days the Democrats are offering none of it. They want to destroy the filibuster to ram through voting procedures that would enable perpetual cheating with mail-in ballots being counted for days after the election.

My guess – and it is only speculation – is that he has given up on his quest to become president and now aspires to join the Supreme Court. Perhaps he is thinking of confirmation assuming a Republican wins the presidency. This would his way of avoiding a charge of radicalism.

Whatever his reasoning, I am deeply disappointed in him.

https://www.americanthinker.co...ned_to_ted_cruz.html



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My guess – and it is only speculation – is that he has given up on his quest to become president and now aspires to join the Supreme Court. Perhaps he is thinking of confirmation assuming a Republican wins the presidency.


Who's going to nominate him now? "Terrorist?" Good Lord.



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My guess – and it is only speculation – is that he has given up on his quest to become president and now aspires to join the Supreme Court. Perhaps he is thinking of confirmation assuming a Republican wins the presidency.


Who's going to nominate him now? "Terrorist?" Good Lord.


If the choice was between him and Merrick B. Garland, then Cruz still wins. Maybe he's trying to secure a few more senate votes than he would otherwise have --- just a thought.

that said, I disagree with his statement too. Strongly disagree. Obviously these were not terrorists.


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The constant use of "insurrection" really pisses me off. AFAIK, no one has been charged,much less convicted with insurrection, or terrorism. I haven't been following it closely, but I think they were charged with trespassing.

Trespassers, maybe even rioters, yes. Insurrectionists or terrorist, no.
 
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Cruz is a politician and knows that supporting this incident is a losing proposition.
 
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Cruz is a politician and knows that supporting this incident is a losing proposition.
You don't have to support it for sure but you also don't have to call people terrorists. Terrorists show up with weapons.

Did he say the same thing about the Democrats when they did worse?

 
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I don't think Trump incited a violent takeover and I don't think the people who went to the Capitol were there to take control... those things are preposterous. But whatever you want to call it, what happened at our nation's Capitol Building was embarrassing, dangerous, and stupid and the people who carried it out were wrong to do so.

Cruz isn't (and shouldn't be, imo) aligned with those actions.



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I don't think Trump incited a violent takeover and I don't think the people who went to the Capitol were there to take control... those things are preposterous. But whatever you want to call it, what happened at our nation's Capitol Building was embarrassing, dangerous, and stupid and the people who carried it out were wrong to do so.

Cruz isn't (and shouldn't be, imo) aligned with those actions.


Spot on. I thought Conservatives were too busy at work to participate in this kind of thing. I mean honestly, what did they think would happen, Trump would stay in office?

That being said, I don't doubt Antifa, or the FBI have their fingers in this.





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No telling what his political calculations might be, but calling it a 'terrorist' attack was hyperbolic and politically stupid for a Republican. The country actually understands what happened on January 6 and the Democrats are killing themselves with this nonsense. The longer these politically incompetent buffoons focus on the riot while ignoring the economy, the better it will be for the rest of us. The Achilles heal for these leftist is that they believe the propaganda that they themselves feed to their allies in the media.
 
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Ted has done some pretty stupid things from a political viewpoint, ie ill timed Cancun trip, attacking Big Bird etc. Just because the government was using Big Bird to promote vaccination does not mean you attack that. Became the fodder for late night comedians. I support what he believes in, he just bungles simple things.
 
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I imagine para’s explanation is as good as any; he still asks tough questions of Biden nominees and those giving Senate testimony.


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I've been a Ted Cruz supporter for several years and greatly respect and admire his intellectual and speaking abilities.. and so I'm disappointed by his stance and choice of words on the J6 January 6th riot.

January 6th 2021 I cleared my schedule and stayed home specifically to watch the congressional proceeding on the certification of the vote. Partly just because I was curious about a part of our electoral process that is typically mundane and routine and didn't know much about, and partly because I wanted to see how Vice President Pence and the other members involved would respond, in light of the election allegations.

Watching it on C-SPAN, I first heard and then, soon after, saw the results of the riot as it occurred in real time in the chamber during the proceeding, heard the banging and shouting off camera, and watched members, aids, and security personnel react in confusion.

Go back to comments made on this forum that day a year ago; many of us believed we were watching the opening action to the next revolution. Sort of like after the initial December 7th Pearl Harbor attack or after the initial September 11th attacks, when there were very real fears those were just the initial attacks, and further attacks might follow.

Elected leaders, politicians, including Ted Cruz, watched the J6 January 6th event just as we did, and made snap assessments based on limited information, including whether to reject or support the event. I can forgive Republicans who made comments I disagreed with on that day... but a year after the event, with more facts uncovered, I would hope they would correct or walk back comments made during the riot.

Speculation on my part, but maybe Ted Cruz feels it's better, politically speaking, to hold to comments and positions he established last J6 January 6th , rather than apologize or walk them back... but it's disappointing for sure.

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The group that invaded the Capitol Building did not do any of us one single speck of good. They aided our enemies, in a very big way, and you see the fruits of their asinine, reckless, foolish actions today and you will see it if Trump decides to run in 2024.

"But, they were encouraged to do so by the FBI and ANTIFA!"

That is not an excuse.
 
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I don't think Trump incited a violent takeover and I don't think the people who went to the Capitol were there to take control... those things are preposterous. But whatever you want to call it, what happened at our nation's Capitol Building was embarrassing, dangerous, and stupid and the people who carried it out were wrong to do so.

Cruz isn't (and shouldn't be, imo) aligned with those actions.


I don't totally disagree but the problem is the left (and media) is looking to capitalize and blame completely on Trump and by association to anyone who is a Trump supporter.
To further propagate the story how much did the Left-controlled FBI have to do with escalating the the whole thing.
This like every left-created crisis is blown out of proportion.
Why isn't this a 'mostly peaceful' protest like all the Black Riots (much worse IMO).
Fucking Hypocrisy.
I wish Cruz would not lend support even if not on purpose to those commies who manufactured most of the outrage.
 
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Also from American Thinker today...
This is a better article and I wish I had posted it first to begin the thread. It's also on J6:

January 6, 2022
There Was No Insurrection But There Was A Coup
By Vince Coyner

The debate is over. After a year spent investigating claims of election fraud, the media has determined that any fraud in the 2020 election was too insignificant to have changed the outcome and Joe Biden legitimately won. Now we can get back to our normal lives, or whatever passes for normal now…except that’s fiction.

In 44 BC, Roman Senators murdered Caesar, claiming they acted to protect the Republic. In fact, they simply sought power. Their coup d’état put the final nail in the coffin of a republic that had been dead in deed, if not name, for decades.

Coup d’états differ from revolutions in that they’re generally orchestrated by or include people within government who seize power—often by narrowly using or just threatening violence—resulting in a rapid transition of power. Revolutions are often longer affairs that include much of a country’s population and exponentially more bloodshed.

Most coups try to keep much of the society and government apparatus intact, merely changing who’s in charge. This illusion of continuity is intended to gain the population’s acquiescence by avoiding the appearance of a bloody civil war.

And that’s exactly what we got. While Donald Trump does not lie in a bloody toga on the floor of the Senate, America witnessed a coup d’état equally as vicious. Many will deny one took place because their guy won but, make no mistake, virtually every American knows one did, even if only 56% admit it.

The moment the coup began to reveal itself Americans knew something was amiss. Many went to bed on November 3rd believing that Trump was leading in enough states to secure an electoral victory, including in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Georgia, and Wisconsin. Strangely, however, while America slept, densely populated Democrat counties like Fulton (Atlanta) in Georgia and Allegheny (Pittsburgh) in Pennsylvania “stopped counting“ votes only to “restart” later when Biden suddenly got enough votes to swing the state blue. Similarly, Philadelphia stopped “reporting” at 1 AM and later announced Biden had won the state.

The morning of the 4th, as cries of fraud came from red areas across the country, the side that cried “election fraud” for four years suddenly fell silent. Apparently, 2020 had become the “most legitimate election in American history“.

Joseph Stalin said, “Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything.” That’s exactly how we went from being a constitutional republic to a banana republic, but rather than the United Fruit Company or the CIA running the coup, it was Mark Zuckerberg, Democrats, the FBI, and the media.

Immediately after Biden was sworn into office Molly Ball of TIME Magazine wrote a glowing paean to the coup:

Their work touched every aspect of the election. They got states to change voting systems and laws and helped secure hundreds of millions in public and private funding. They fended off voter-suppression lawsuits, recruited armies of poll workers, and got millions of people to vote by mail for the first time. They successfully pressured social media companies to take a harder line against disinformation and used data-driven strategies to fight viral smears. They executed national public-awareness campaigns that helped Americans understand how the vote count would unfold over days or weeks, preventing Trump’s conspiracy theories and false claims of victory from getting more traction.

And as with any good coup, Democrats threatened violence: “The nation was braced for chaos. Liberal groups had vowed to take to the streets, planning hundreds of protests across the country.” In this context, “protests” is a metaphor for Democrat-approved BLM and Antifa violence unleashed across America. Ball points out that, following Biden’s victory, Democrats called off the threatened violence: “There was a conspiracy unfolding behind the scenes, one that both curtailed the protests and coordinated the resistance from CEOs.”

While Ball’s homage may be insightful, the definitive account of the coup comes from Mollie Hemingway in “Rigged.” Unlike Ball, who couches everything about the coup in the fiction of patriots seeking to “protect” America from the fascist Donald Trump, Hemingway exposes how the leftist cabal set the table for the coup and, upon its execution, unleashed a propaganda machine to pretend the coup never happened.

Hemingway showcases incompetent GOP functionaries like Georgia’s Brad Raffensperger empowering Democrats, led by the treacherous Marc Elias and Stacy Abrams, to make unconstitutional voting rule changes. From corrupt jurists ignoring legislation and others explicitly ignoring the Constitution and allowing arbitrary election rulemaking that favored Democrats to the FBI and the media spending years attacking Trump, Hemingway exposes the coup step by step. She demonstrates exactly how Mark Zuckerberg wrote a $400 million check and financed the coup d’état that undermined our Republic.

In perhaps the single most telling line in Rigged, Hemingway quotes a reporter for the Wisconsin Spotlight: “The City of Green Bay literally gave the keys to the election to a Democrat Party operative from New York.” (p. 222.) Similar dynamics played out across the country.

The model was simple. Red counties in half a dozen states gave their counts while blue counties stopped counting or reporting. Once the red totals were in Democrats knew exactly how many votes they needed to “produce” and those numbers magically started coming in. Georgia’s Fulton County gave Biden a 250,000 margin of victory, enough to win the state by 12,000 votes out of 5 million cast. Pennsylvania’s Allegheny gave Biden a 150,000 vote margin, enough to take Pennsylvania by 80,000 votes out of 6.8 million.

When the dust settled, Biden was declared the 46th President with “81 million votes” to Trump’s 74 million. But Presidential elections come down to the Electoral College. Joe Biden won there because of three states and 103,000 votes: Pennsylvania, 20 Electors, by 80,000 votes; Georgia, 16 by 12,000; and Arizona, 11 by 11,000 votes.

After two months of being caricatured and called conspiracy nuts or white nationalists, almost a million frustrated Trump voters went to Washington on January 6th to demand Congress investigate the election. After a rally where President Trump explicitly said to “peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard“ a riot with a few hundred people broke out at the Capital and, suddenly, an “Insurrection” worse than anything “since the Civil War“ occurred. Anyone questioning the election was a guilty participant. That riot, which the FBI may have planned or empowered, suddenly changed the national conversation from investigating November’s coup to impeaching Trump for “incitement of insurrection.” And that was it. End of debate. Biden won and Trump tried to incite a coup. Any contrary ideas were verboten....

But of course, Americans know a lie when they see it and the debate isn’t really over. When the propagandists say there was no way fraud could have affected an election with 150 million voters, that’s a red herring. The cabal behind the coup didn’t have to affect 150 million votes. All they had to do was affect (or create) 100,000 well-placed votes, which is exactly what they did. Zuckerberg-funded Democrats in a few states merely had to wait until the red areas reported their totals and then magically produce more votes from their stopped or paused machines. And that’s how it’s done, a real-life enactment of Stalin’s adage, and it’s just another day at the office for Democrats.

Mark Anthony could only eulogize Caesar after the Ides of March, but Donald Trump is still very much with us. We still have an opportunity to reverse this treachery and avert the disaster that naturally follows when the Rule of Man subverts the Rule of Law. But will we seize it before it’s too late?

https://www.americanthinker.co...here_was_a_coup.html



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Cruz is a politician and knows that supporting this incident is a losing proposition.


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The group that invaded the Capitol Building did not do any of us one single speck of good. They aided our enemies, in a very big way, and you see the fruits of their asinine, reckless, foolish actions today and you will see it if Trump decides to run in 2024.

"But, they were encouraged to do so by the FBI and ANTIFA!"

That is not an excuse.


The absolute truth.

It's high time to move on.
 
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He’s been in Washington too long



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"But, they were encouraged to do so by the FBI and ANTIFA!"

That is not an excuse.


Para,

If this is in reference to my post, I agree completely. I’m not making any excuses for anyone.





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I don't think Trump incited a violent takeover and I don't think the people who went to the Capitol were there to take control... those things are preposterous. But whatever you want to call it, what happened at our nation's Capitol Building was embarrassing, dangerous, and stupid and the people who carried it out were wrong to do so.

Cruz isn't (and shouldn't be, imo) aligned with those actions.


Agreed.

Look, if you want to be a bomb thrower, more power to you. But Cruz isn't one of them, and there aren't many true bomb-throwers in the U.S. He is not going to align himself with that group. Especially not as a Senator with a whole state to get elected in. Perhaps a Congressman in a die-hard, far right district can align himself with wanna-be bomb-throwers, but not a Senator.




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The group that invaded the Capitol Building did not do any of us one single speck of good. They aided our enemies, in a very big way, and you see the fruits of their asinine, reckless, foolish actions today and you will see it if Trump decides to run in 2024.


That is how I also feel about it.
 
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