OP, I'm glad we were able to change your way of thinking. For the better.

Running out of ammo is a bad thing.

I’m bewildered that this is a topic.

I can think of many reasons for extra ammo/mags.

I can think of no rational* reason for wanting less.



*Lefty laws are not rational.

You can never have to much ammo. Since I am my wife’s and children QRF, I like to have 58 rounds of ammo and an RMR pistol with me.

Some persons can get by with .22 derringer as well.

So, at the end of this discussion, it’s your life, live it as you see fit.

I can't recall ever thinking, "Man, I wish I had less ammunition."

I carry at least one full reload for my handgun off duty. If it is a lower capacity firearm like a 1911, I carry at least 2 full reloads.

There is no rule that says I have to use it all.

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If it is a lower capacity firearm like a 1911

like the Uber-popular p365, 11 in the gun, 20 on my hip, 30 in the truck...and no, I don't think I'm going to be attacked. If I thought that, I wouldn't be out. If I had to go out, all the guys with me would have full battle rattle for their rifles, pistols and back-up.

Other than the grunts of our great nation this may the only place in the country (world) where that's a majority opinion.

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Originally posted by chongosuerte:
I’m bewildered that this is a topic.

I can think of many reasons for extra ammo/mags.

I can think of no rational* reason for wanting less.

Have you or anyone else always carried these high round counts in this way since the 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s ?



*Lefty laws are not rational.

So have you always thought this since the first time you began carrying both before, on, and off, duty ?

Has everyone else except me carried 50 rounds since the 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s ?

I can't believe I'm the only cc dummy who just got educated on the new reality.

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Originally posted by wrightd:


Has everyone else except me carried 50 rounds since the 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s ?

I actually don’t carry 50. 31 has been my minimum since the 90s. If I’m going any place that I believe is sketchier than that, I take a rifle, plates and a bag full of spare mags.

My day job I carry 16 in the gun and a spare 20 rounder. I have 2 24 rounds mags on my day to day plate carrier. But, all of my stuff is scalable off of that initial 36 rounds.

I'm not LE but when I see threads like this I think of this story. These criminals walk among us out in public where there's a war on police.
https://www.police1.com/office...ob-clGBbLYpnqqHxwMq/

I think the best quote from it is, "At one point Gramins heard a doctor exclaim, “We may as well stop. Every bag of blood we give him ends up on the floor. This guy’s like Swiss cheese. Why’d that cop have to shoot him so many times!”

You might also not care for his
Vest advice either

^^ Backup Sandwich.

ETA: I often wear the ShootMeFirst fanny pack while working. On my waist or slung over my shoulder across my chest.

I usually have 32 rounds on me. 16 in the gun and 16 in the spare. If I'm walking around the neighborhood I'll leave the spare at home but other than that it's always on me

I wear the "shoot me first vest" very often.
Unpunctured so far.
But it helps that its Yooper fashion.

Carry what you can get good quick hits with. Just be mindful of what and how the predators in your area are operating. Now robberies with 2-5 suspects in two or more vehicles ....in broad daylight on gas station lots are VERY common in the St. Louis County and St. Charles county area. They are also extremely common in St. Louis City but I refuse to step foot into that shit hole.

Boarding House Rule: Everyone gets a first serving before anyone gets a second serving....depending on the threat, distance, and what they are armed with.

Shoot fast, reload quicker and find cover at a speed approaching that of light.

Wolfe 21 - Fortunately, I've never had to shoot anyone.

But, I have shot a fox, and a raccoon which were acting rabid, and a buck with a broken back, and a rattle snake which was right by the steps of the house. And deliberately NOT shot a curious pig, with a 38 snubnose, because that seemed like a VERY dumb idea...

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Originally posted by dsiets:
I'm not LE but when I see threads like this I think of this story. These criminals walk among us out in public where there's a war on police.
https://www.police1.com/office...ob-clGBbLYpnqqHxwMq/

I think the best quote from it is, "At one point Gramins heard a doctor exclaim, “We may as well stop. Every bag of blood we give him ends up on the floor. This guy’s like Swiss cheese. Why’d that cop have to shoot him so many times!”

Gammins now carries a 1911 with,IIRC, two extra mags. He retired recently.

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Originally posted by wrightd:

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Originally posted by chongosuerte:
I’m bewildered that this is a topic.

I can think of many reasons for extra ammo/mags.

I can think of no rational* reason for wanting less.

Have you or anyone else always carried these high round counts in this way since the 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s ?



*Lefty laws are not rational.

So have you always thought this since the first time you began carrying both before, on, and off, duty ?

Has everyone else except me carried 50 rounds since the 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s ?

I can't believe I'm the only cc dummy who just got educated on the new reality.

Yes. But I only started carrying in the early 2000s.

My first handgun was a P239. I always carried a spare mag but obviously that wasn’t a lot of ammo.

My next guns were larger. 15+ rounds. Always carried a full sized mag and sometimes a second small gun.

When I wasn’t boring and actually still did real police work, it was 3 spare mags plus a backup gun, more mags in the car, plus a rifle.

These days I have to find my keys to get my gun out of my desk drawer lol (ok I’m not that worthless).

Shoot fast, reload quicker and find cover at a speed approaching that of light.[/QUOTE]

^^^^^^^^
Thank you for my new motto!

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Originally posted by wrightd:
This video by Mass Ayoob via Wilson Combat is interesting. He makes a case for high cap mags for civilian carry. I'm not sure I agree with him, other things being equal, esp in light of the fact that you're held accountable for every bullet that leaves the barrel.

Now if you're the target of a mob, well then I could see his point. But for most "normal" SD situations (whatever the hell that is), I'm not sure I agree with him.

What say you guys ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XJzxpn2vuA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsfGQASU3W8

There are only two times when extra ammo is a liability--when you're in the water or on fire.

Otherwise, carry what you think you will need.