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If there is a basic standard in the industry, they may not meet that.

What's the difference between a car that can be started in 30 seconds using a USB that's worth a few dollars, or a car that can be started in 30 seconds using a $5,000 device?

Both are started in 30 seconds. Why is one "faulty" and the other not?

And am I the only one who knows how easy it is to hot wire the older cars? I can get in one and hot wire it and drive it away under a minute, as can lots of other people.

Reasonable effort I suspect. If it takes a $5k device to steal a car, the manufacturer has made a reasonable effort to make the car steal-proof.

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And am I the only one who knows how easy it is to hot wire the older cars? I can get in one and hot wire it and drive it away under a minute, as can lots of other people.

Available technology. There wasn't any. Remember when car alarms became so prevalent in the 70s and 80s? It was a response.

92 come on man. That’s why it put “Hotwire” in parentheses. I watched the videos too. Anything that shape fits the slot behind the key. As for clips, are you fucking with me? You are a cop right? Are you really telling me 5hat these guys take the time to not damage the car and remove the plastic and 5he cylinder lock gently? In your experience they don’t just rip it out and probably break it? Really?

Every video I watched, there’s a bunch, you absolutely have to remove the cylinder lock to get to the solenoid switch. It looks easy but I’m still thinking many cars they are just ripped out and damage ensues. I watched a mechanic do all of this and he carefully removed everything involved because it was his car. I’m pretty sure some shitbag stealing your car doesn’t care if he breaks shit.

As for opening the door with the usb cable you got me stumped. I can’t find any references at all about opening the door with the cable. Everything I’ve read is the usb cable “shape” is needed to start the car, nothing about opening 5he door with it. Maybe you can point me 8n the right direction on that one.

Either way this is stupid leftist bullshit that if it succeeds opens the door to frivolous lawsuits. Can’t believe we are arguing this.

I'm not finding any videos where you just pop the door open with a USB cable. I am finding videos where the window frame of the door is pried away from the body to allow a bent steel rod in to hit the unlock button. This would work on most cars.

I'm also finding that you either have to break the plastic steering column cover or use a screw driver to take it apart, then you have to remove the key portion of the ignition switch to get at the part of the ignition switch that turns to start the car.

That's enough breaking, disassembly, and forced entry for me to say it isn't really that easy to do.

No lawsuits needed.

Nearly all the cars I have been in the ignition wires and ignition key cylinder is just hanging there. They are popped right back in and the owner pops the key and heads home.
Are some folks just ripping everything getting the same results sure but it is not needed.

As for opening the door I won’t get into specifics but how the door handle meets the door body allows for the cable to get behind the lock cylinder and is by passed.
Not gone looking for videos on how to do it. I was shown how it is done.

So possibly a better analogy is that your storm door and front door are keyed the same way and pretty much any object inserted not just a key will open both.

AGAIN, I AM NOT ADVOCATING FOR MASS LAWSUITS HERE or by anyone other than specific owners or their insurance companies that have had to pay out. For theft in this specific manner.

As for the bike, tractor, etc comparison.
You know that is how they work when you buy them and take precautions. If folks knew that their car was accessible to anyone with a USB cord they would not buy them.

As far as key cloning and the like it take very expensive equipment to accomplish. Not something that nearly everyone carries in their pocket or bag on a daily basis.

In this instance your only real way to stop this is to pull the fuel pump fuse.

In the 70’s Ford had a problem with their steering column locks easily being circumvented. Crooks carried a slide hammer puller with a screw in the jaws.

GM’s lock was slightly better, a small spring loaded bar that locked into a slot in a cast aluminum lock housing, could also be defeated with a slide hammer. GM redesigned the lock cylinder and housing in mid year 78, two screws held the lock cylinder in place instead.

Are they sure Memphis Rains hasn't done a comeback tour in Seattle?

So has total auto theft gone up in Seattle or, have the thieves just targeted Kia/Hyundai vehicles. Basically if they moved from Honda and Toyotas to Kias and total stolen vehicle numbers are the same then the problem for the police hasn't increased it's just become targeted.

No disrespect but I’m calling bullshit on opening the door with the usb cable. Acting coy like you don’t want to say how when I just saw a list of 20 how to steal a Kia videos is laughable. Nothing on the ‘net says what you are saying. Until you tell us how or point to the internet I’m not buying that. I’m a trust but verify guy. Acting like “I got a secret” ain’t going to cut. Same reason any story requires a link. Otherwise it’s just internet hearsay.

And of course the owner can put the cylinder lock back in. That doesn’t mean getting to that point didn’t cause $$$ damage. You are acting like these cars get back to their owners just like they left them. Hmmm.

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and are doing nothing about

Can you cite a reference to this, please?

The cars are defective only if a specific false claim were made by the manufacturer. I doubt that is the case here.

Where is the line between enough theft resistance and not enough?

Absent the intentional criminal acts of 1) breaking into a car and 2) stealing the car, there would be no car theft regardless of brand. This is no different 5han any other crime.

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and are doing nothing about

Can you cite a reference to this, please?

The article is linked above and makes the reference to providing Police with steering wheel locks and making customers PURCHASE security packages.
While not exactly nothing it is nothing really benefitting the customer or actually remedying the problem.

On top of that Hyundai removed a ton of vehicles from their tracking service as of January 1st of this year through software updates.

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Originally posted by pedropcola:
No disrespect but I’m calling bullshit on opening the door with the usb cable. Acting coy like you don’t want to say how when I just saw a list of 20 how to steal a Kia videos is laughable. Nothing on the ‘net says what you are saying. Until you tell us how or point to the internet I’m not buying that. I’m a trust but verify guy. Acting like “I got a secret” ain’t going to cut. Same reason any story requires a link. Otherwise it’s just internet hearsay.

And of course the owner can put the cylinder lock back in. That doesn’t mean getting to that point didn’t cause $$$ damage. You are acting like these cars get back to their owners just like they left them. Hmmm.

Not acting coy. Just not going to put any more detail out there about it. I have given a brief overview.
I have seen it done with my own eyes. And returned a multitude of these vehicles to their owners.
My day moves along the same whether you want to believe me or not.

So what? Is it a federal case that they removed tracking? Fuck, I don’t want the car manufacturer to track me anyway. Nobody forcibly makes anyone to purchase a steering wheel lock. You saved thousands by buying a POS low end Kia. Spend 20 more on a lock if you are concerned.

Hmm, this is a bullshit lawsuit with wide reaching and very negative implications if it succeeds. Seattle sucks. That is the correct response. Lol

Edited because I didn’t see your post: There are dozens if not hundreds of videos out there showing how to steal these cars. Nobody is being coy about how to do it but you. I’m glad you’ve seen it with your own eyes. That’s hearsay at best. If I find actual evidence of this I will apologize for doubting you.

I thank you for pointing this lawsuit out to us. I’m astonished the path you took after that. My day as well continues knowing people buy into this leftist, it’s their fault not the criminal, let’s sue, mindset. Enjoy your day.

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steering wheel locks

Oy!!

I remember the TV ads for "The Club"

Wow jeez I just googled this. Looks like this stsrted as a social media challenge on Tik Tok.

IMO Tik Tok is something that should be banned. Trump was right.

It would be simple quick and easy to open the door with a few tools from a lockout kit. Air wedge or solid wedge and a rod, but if it’s so easy with a usb cable, why risk getting caught with those tools.
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Remember the "bait" car videos ? Leaving a few around with an explosive charge triggered by the USB cable should be a deterrent.

Sounds about right. Seattle isn't interested in solving any of this, how they act makes that much clear. It's just a lot of jerking off into a ceiling fan. Jebus forbid we try and curb the criminal behavior, correct it in any way, that might make someone's chest pussy ache. No, we're gonna sue some people who had fuckall to do with any of it, except they made a product that's now being used by criminals, or targeted for theft by them. And it wont get better until Rainier blows, and washes the lot of them into the Sound on a wave of super-heated mud. The people in charge don't want to address the problem, the people affected won't vote for anybody different, because this is somehow good, this is just.

Best of all, it's spilling over everywhere else. Just yesterday there was a carjacking in my little city, 18 year old girl got pistol whipped, and then her head stomped, before the shitbags went on a gas station robbery spree. As far as I know none of the 4 have been caught yet. Why do I always have my Glock 34 and three reloads? Because it's not getting better.

Using the same reasoning behind this legal action, the Seattle City Attorney should be liable for failure to meet the same job standards as other cities that effectively prosecute criminals for their crimes, including car theft.
If the manufacturers have complied with all state and federal law regarding motor vehicles, they should have no other burden. They happen to make cars that some demographic finds desirable.
How is this not like someone claiming a women that dresses provocatively is somehow responsible for criminals actions against her?

Maybe the manufacturers should have offered this extra theft protection they are now offering as a no cost option and labeled it as a Seattle anti-theft kit.

Steal a car, lose a hand…

Thus shit would stop real quick.