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Originally posted by bobtheelf:
My concern is not just for this election, but if they get away with this massive and obvious fraud, there's nothing that will ever stop them from doing it again, and again, and again.

We've just become a 1 party syxtem

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Originally posted by goose5:
Can we cool it with the socialist talk. Our government is never going to own all means of production. This is rhetoric designed to inflame. Resist the malware.

The textbook definition is applicable in the classroom, but school is out.

I have been working since 1970, and have watched "business/corporate" operations morph from hiring people to fill positions and for the most part, pay each week or twice a month, cash, or check. With the exception of collection of Social Security, State, Federal taxes, and in some cases, pension payments, almost everything else was up to the individual.

Things such as healthcare, eye-care, dental, retirement funds, other insurance programs, all the compliance policies, continued education and myriad other "Human Resources" that manage an employee have put the business/corporation in the role of intermediary of the government.

The business/corporation is not free to decide to not comply, and the employee is not free in the workplace to waive compliance to the policies.

Both employer/employ comply or do without.

Yes, there are a few individuals who can operate a sole proprietor and walk past most of it, but those are the exceptions, and those "choices/freedoms" from the mandates are continually being eroded.

So, a rose by any other name...

Those who choose to stand as the socialist machine rolls into town, waiting for the big banner that states the textbook definition, will find themselves fenced in and then wondering how it could be.

Look around, the (overreaching) government has stained the fabric of freedom that this country is clothed. That stain is Red. (as in communism)

How is that saying, A safety net, becomes a hammock which then becomes a straight jacket?

I was trained to look for threats, be vigilant, diligent and never let down the guard.

And I appreciate others who alert to anything that should at least be looked at as a threat.

"Time wasted" to consider a thing, is time I am willing to spend, rather than spend time regretting having not done so.

How do you explain where we are today?

And who in Russia more than 100 years ago would believe what the last hundred years have been?

"I see Red people."
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"Walking around like regular people. They don't see each other. They only see what they want to see. They don't know they're Red."

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Either D.J. wins outright, or it goes to the House, which means that D.J. has four more years.

The post on the previous page was really snagging my interest until I got to this part. Huh?

^^ A 269-269 tie in the Electoral College would throw the election to the U.S. House of Representatives. Technically. As I've seen it explained, each state's House delegation gets one vote and the way that vote goes is determined by the state legislature of the state each U.S. House delegation represents. Apparently Republicans are the majority party in 29 state legislatures. Pelosi could theoretically try to play procedural games but would be unable to prevent a majority of state legislatures from re-electing Trump through their states' delegations in the U.S. House.

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Originally posted by Boss1:

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Originally posted by wildheartedson0105:

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Originally posted by goose5:Come on people we lost this one. Suck it up. Quit your bitching. Now let's prepare for 2024.

No, it is not lost. It is certainly ours when the true numbers are counted.

Prepare for 2024? LMMFAO. Yeah, the commies will play nice for four years.

The D's aren't going to just allow this...they're going to do EVERYTHING possible to prevent it.

It's not theirs to allow, and I know they are trying any angle of attack.

We're on the same page brother. I'm just trying to remind folks to keep the faith, and keep their chin up.

Three boxes...

What I don't understand in this whole debate is how we as a people got to the point that the division of ideas is such that we end of with two candidates that create an almost even divide. The logic just does not work for me. Does not matter how our election ends up ... half the country is going to be unhappy... this just don't seem right .

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Originally posted by Blume9mm:
What I don't understand in this whole debate is how we as a people got to the point that the division of ideas is such that we end of with two candidates that create an almost even divide. The logic just does not work for me. Does not matter how our election ends up ... half the country is going to be unhappy... this just don't seem right .

The old communist saying:"It does not matter who votes,it is who counts the votes"

There is no doubt DJT won the election but now he has to overcome the fraud.

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Originally posted by wcb6092:

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Originally posted by Blume9mm:
What I don't understand in this whole debate is how we as a people got to the point that the division of ideas is such that we end of with two candidates that create an almost even divide. The logic just does not work for me. Does not matter how our election ends up ... half the country is going to be unhappy... this just don't seem right .

The old communist saying:"It does not matter who votes,it is who counts the votes"

There is no doubt DJT won the election but now he has to overcome the fraud.

The thing I don't understand is why would they change the top of the ticket, but not the bottom? Biden administration will have no ability to do a damn thing with R Senate and more even house.

How the hell did the 'blue wave' only affect the president, but not all the down ballot voting or state level stuff. It makes zero sense.

You have to go outside the US for real news.

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Originally posted by Micropterus:
You have to go outside the US for real news.

Alan Jones isn't exactly neutral

The divide is not as equal as the election results show....due to the widespread fraud. Such as the 100,000+ votes that showed up after deadline and when counted 100%....ONE HUNDRED PERCENT were for Biden and no other elected officials in state or local govt were selected..only for POTUS. You cant tell me Joe got more votes than Obama's historical turn out. Also with all the black, Latino and conservative Dems that were showing up at Trump Rallies and most were blue collar workers or people that recently immigrated to United States legally to flee socialism....and some estimated 10-20% more of each demographic voting for Trump this time versus the last election......it just does not pan out. Not even including the fraudfilled mass mailed ballats that were returned for people that were still on voting registry but were living in another state, district or deceased....thousands voting in one area with 1901-1927 birthdays?

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Originally posted by Skins2881:

The thing I don't understand is why would they change the top of the ticket, but not the bottom?

Filling out all those ballots takes time.

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Originally posted by Il Cattivo:
^^ A 269-269 tie in the Electoral College would throw the election to the U.S. House of Representatives. Technically. As I've seen it explained, each state's House delegation gets one vote and the way that vote goes is determined by the state legislature of the state each U.S. House delegation represents. Apparently Republicans are the majority party in 29 state legislatures. Pelosi could theoretically try to play procedural games but would be unable to prevent a majority of state legislatures from re-electing Trump through their states' delegations in the U.S. House.

Don't think it needs to be a electoral college tie to throw the decision to the House of Representatives. I think a contested election will do the same and this is certainly a contested election. I think this is exactly what the Supreme Court will do is throw it to the House of Representatives. The Supreme Court does not want to be nor should they be kingmakers.

They will most likely correct the places where judges and courts altered election process by extending voting times and other processes. I'm expecting they will throw out the votes in PA that came in after 8pm on election night. State legislatures are the only ones allowed to change the election processes in their states not judges or courts. The Constitution does not have any provisions for allowing judges to make changes due to a pandemic.

It's pretty obvious to any honest observer that this election was conducted with gross unconcern for any type of election integrity. And I'm not even talking about the massive amount of fraud. That's plain to see as well, but 100 million mail-in ballots....

In the past, how many absentee or mail-in ballots are discarded due to mistakes or irregularities? It's gotta be a relatively large percentage. But this election they are all mostly pristine? Not a chance, but they expect us to believe that.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
In the past, how many absentee or mail-in ballots are discarded due to mistakes or irregularities? It's gotta be a relatively large percentage. But this election they are all mostly pristine? Not a chance, but they expect us to believe that.

From the numerous articles I have glanced at earlier in the year, approx. 20% of absentee ballots in past elections have been rejected. And also most of the countries of the free world have banned mail-in paper ballots because of, wait for it...FRAUD.

Heard on Glenn Beck radio (yes he's a fear monger but sometimes has useful info...) that in the pas in PA from 1% to 3% of mail in ballots are rejected.

In 2016 it was closer to 1% in PA

This year with more mail in ballots: 0.03%

951 mailin ballots rejected...out of over 300k

Should have been closer to 30k rejected...esp when you consider a lot of first time mail in voters...

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
It's pretty obvious to any honest observer that this election was conducted with gross unconcern for any type of election integrity. And I'm not even talking about the massive amount of fraud. That's plain to see as well, but 100 million mail-in ballots....

In the past, how many absentee or mail-in ballots are discarded due to mistakes or irregularities? It's gotta be a relatively large percentage. But this election they are all mostly pristine? Not a chance, but they expect us to believe that.

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Originally posted by Skins2881:

The thing I don't understand is why would they change the top of the ticket, but not the bottom? Biden administration will have no ability to do a damn thing with R Senate and more even house.

How the hell did the 'blue wave' only affect the president, but not all the down ballot voting or state level stuff. It makes zero sense.

I think i got the explanation from here or somewhere else.

Congressional elections are run by district. The districts where Republican congress people and senators are relatively free from election fraud which is what allowed the Republicans to win and keep in the first place.

The ones owned by Democrats are the ones where they can more easily manipulate the ballots. Hence, the extra votes for Biden are coming from Democrat controlled districts.

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In 2016 it was closer to 1% in PA

This year with more mail in ballots: 0.03%

951 mailin ballots rejected...out of over 300k

Should have been closer to 30k rejected...esp when you consider a lot of first time mail in voters...

I think you meant to say 3k.

If the courts deem this election tainted and its thrown to the state legislators who will then tell the representatives in the House who to vote for; are we saying that some Democrat House members could be forced to vote for Trump? What a riot!

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Originally posted by PGT:

Alan Jones isn't exactly neutral

The question isn't: is he neutral. The question is: is he right.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
It's pretty obvious to any honest observer that this election was conducted with gross unconcern for any type of election integrity. And I'm not even talking about the massive amount of fraud. That's plain to see as well, but 100 million mail-in ballots....

In the past, how many absentee or mail-in ballots are discarded due to mistakes or irregularities? It's gotta be a relatively large percentage. But this election they are all mostly pristine? Not a chance, but they expect us to believe that.

Well, in Wisconsin at least, the election workers were told to "fix" the defective ballots.