I'm beginning to think that all the media heads got together at a party and said "let's see if we can overturn an election and depose a sitting president all by our lonesome".

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Originally posted by Ripley:

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Originally posted by Lefty Sig:
And FOX is blathering...

Fox's turn is hard to wrap my head around. It can't be a wise business choice, they were beating their main cable opponents CNN and MSNBC combined. Now Fox is just another diminished choice. Bean counters couldn't have sanctioned this move.

Did Fox buckle to extortion or threats of some sort? By the time the truth comes out, Fox will be on the ash heap of history, literally yesterday's news.

It's been rumored if Trump does not retain office one of the first things he is going to do is create his own media outlet with intent to crush Fox and the others. There is no doubt he will have all the support he needs.

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Originally posted by Ripley:
Fox's turn is hard to wrap my head around. It can't be a wise business choice, they were beating their main cable opponents CNN and MSNBC combined. Now Fox is just another diminished choice. Bean counters couldn't have sanctioned this move.

Did Fox buckle to extortion or threats of some sort? By the time the truth comes out, Fox will be on the ash heap of history, literally yesterday's news.

The entire Journalism industry is 90% democrat. Most of the people behind the scenes are likely democrat, and just doing the job they are assigned to do, because those are the demographics of the industry, and of the pool of available workers. The effects of group think and peer pressure have driven out conservatives from the inside, while the new "management" is hostile to Trump. Think about changing jobs or getting recognition. Fox on your resume? Sorry no job for you, no pulitzer prizes for you, no awards at all, nothing.

I think they long for the Obama days when they were the loyal opposition, but didn't really do much to expose the real corruption, or the Bush days when they could say they were Conservative first and not necessarily Republican apologists. Trump changed everything due to the unhinged OMB syndrome on the left and has vast popular support. He is perhaps the most popular President of all time among his base, so FOX couldn't alienate that base. But over time, they have withered and just want him gone so they can go back to the way it was for the previous 30 years, and not have to constantly defend him and get excoriated by the entire MSM.

Once Trump is gone, they will be the loyal opposition to Biden, and try to win back their audience.

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Originally posted by Lefty Sig:

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Originally posted by Ripley:
Fox's turn is hard to wrap my head around. It can't be a wise business choice, they were beating their main cable opponents CNN and MSNBC combined. Now Fox is just another diminished choice. Bean counters couldn't have sanctioned this move.

Did Fox buckle to extortion or threats of some sort? By the time the truth comes out, Fox will be on the ash heap of history, literally yesterday's news.

The entire Journalism industry is 90% democrat. Most of the people behind the scenes are likely democrat, and just doing the job they are assigned to do, because those are the demographics of the industry, and of the pool of available workers. The effects of group think and peer pressure have driven out conservatives from the inside, while the new "management" is hostile to Trump. Think about changing jobs or getting recognition. Fox on your resume? Sorry no job for you, no pulitzer prizes for you, no awards at all, nothing.

I think they long for the Obama days when they were the loyal opposition, but didn't really do much to expose the real corruption, or the Bush days when they could say they were Conservative first and not necessarily Republican apologists. Trump changed everything due to the unhinged OMB syndrome on the left and has vast popular support. He is perhaps the most popular President of all time among his base, so FOX couldn't alienate that base. But over time, they have withered and just want him gone so they can go back to the way it was for the previous 30 years, and not have to constantly defend him and get excoriated by the entire MSM.

Once Trump is gone, they will be the loyal opposition to Biden, and try to win back their audience.

I'm agreeing with your prediction and assessment.

A new wrinkle, ironically this from Fox News --

AT&T reportedly looking to sell CNN...

AT&T is reportedly looking at selling CNN to pay its massive debt, but the cable news company may have hit its peak "hating Trump," Fox Business Network senior correspondent Charlie Gasparino argued Friday.

"CNN does not have Donald Trump to kick around anymore and their ratings will take a hit," he told "Tucker Carlson Tonight," given the current projected presidential election results...

CNN head Jeff Zucker ordered the troops to focus solely on impeachment the start of this year. Trump-hate has been their bread and butter, a Biden administration kills that.

Pure speculation Fox News may have more of a niche than I would have expected, maybe some method to their madness.

No intent to hijack this thread. Fox News came up and I think we all have reason to care what's going on.

This guy disproves Dr. Shiva's theory and it makes sense to me why it's wrong.

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Second, it was not widespread. It was targeted at specific democrat machine districts mostly in states with Democrat governments.

So much this^. The fraud isn't "widespread". It's specifically narrow and targeted.

And wonder why all those ballots showed up with 'votes' for Buyden but no one else? My guess is to be sure the down ballot candidates didn't have 'standing' to challenge the election. They're counting on TDS in the judiciary to be strong enough to win in court.

Skull Leader,

That video is laughably stupid and goes to show how few people understand statistics.

Let me try to explain the reason behind Dr. Shiva's graphs myself as I see it.

He makes a big assumption that all Republican's will more than likely vote for Donald Trump. I mean, Michigan is a swing state for a reason.

What I see in his graph is that the more Republican the precinct, the more people that voted Republican down ballot and appearing further to the right, are more likely the more conservative precincts because the only reason not to vote down ballot in those precincts is because there is a candidate on that ballot that they didn't like and didn't specifically want to vote for. In this case, probably Donald Trump, which is why the further right you go on the scale the more negative the specific voting gets for Trump.

This also explains why in the more Democrat precincts that Donald Trump does better in the specified voting because the only reason that someone in a more Democrat precinct would not vote down ballot is because they wanted to vote for Trump.

This is also why when Matt Parker plotted the same information using the same method for Biden votes he got the same graph. Because the more Democrat the precinct the more folks voted down ballot which moved them further to the right on the graph, but those that didn't vote down ballot weren't voting for Biden.

But I'm making assumptions as well. Maybe more people on those more Republican and Democrat Precincts didn't vote down ballot because a candidate in a local election knocked on their door and talked with them. Could be anything.

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Originally posted by Skull Leader:
This guy disproves Dr. Shiva's theory and it makes sense to me why it's wrong.

He's actually confirming Dr. Shiva's theory, and what he's presenting is entirely expected. One could have derived what he's presenting from Dr. Shiva's graphs. (Discounting error for 3rd-Party votes.)

The plots show the percentage of deviation from what might reasonably be expected, based upon straight-ticket voting patterns.

Thus: In a heavily-R precinct one would expect little deviation in votes for the R Presidential candidate, while in a heavily-D precinct one would expect little deviation in the votes for the D Presidential candidate.

For Biden that's exactly what happens. If you look toward the right-hand side of the Biden graph in Stand-Up Maths' presentation, deviation for Biden never exceeds about 10%, whereas for Trump it exceeds 20%, with some approaching 30%.

Just eyeballing the graphs and doing SWAG estimates: I'd estimate the under-achievement deviation for Biden is a mean of 5% and an average of somewhere around 2%. The deviation for Trump is a mean of closer to 14% and an average actually somewhat higher than that.

Unexpectedly: In the Trump/Party graph, Trump never does better than 10% above expected, whereas Biden does, yes, exactly: Up to better than 20% and as high as near 30% better.

The above would be easier to see if you flipped the X-axis of the top graph in Stand-Up Maths.

This for a President whose approval rating has actually climbed since the election? A President whose approval rating among Republicans was recently as high as 94%? We're to believe that a President that has drawn such large crowds and has popularity ratings that high, over 25% of (assumed) R voters in some districts voted for the Democrat? Doesn't that seem more than a bit unlikely?

Perhaps we weren't the silent majority this time around.

Listen, I wasn't voting for Trump, but more against Biden this year. I didn't vote for Trump in 2016(I didn't vote for Hillary either). I feel like I'm a moderate Republican. We are out there. Their charts are easy to explain away. More Republicans voted for Biden than the other way around which would be expected in a Biden victory.

We have to be absolutely sure about the arguments we are putting forth for fraud, but I don't think Dr. Shiva's analysis is it.

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Listen, I wasn't voting for Trump, but more against Biden this year.

I challenge you to explain to me why any Republican, conservative, or libertarian wouldn't vote for Trump. What possible reason could you have for not voting for him? Who's more your speed? Mitt Romney? Ben Sasse? What has Trump done not to deserve your full vote? Done. What has he done ? I'm talking actions here.

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Originally posted by Skull Leader:
We have to be absolutely sure about the arguments we are putting forth for fraud, but I don't think Dr. Shiva's analysis is it.

I think it holds water, but I could be off in the weeds.

I've asked one of my best friends, who's something of a math geek, to look at both of them and render a verdict. He isn't well, so he may not be up for it. If not: Maybe I'll start a new thread, explicitly non-political, soliciting SF math geeks. I know they're here

Sidney Powell claimed again today to have the evidence that Dominion software was manipulated to result in massive election fraud, it will result in the overturning of several state's elections, and that she does not say things she cannot prove:

http://www.realclearpolitics.c...tem.html?jwsource=cl

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Originally posted by Skull Leader:

Listen, I wasn't voting for Trump, but more against Biden this year.

I challenge you to explain to me why any Republican, conservative, or libertarian wouldn't vote for Trump. What possible reason could you have for not voting for him? Who's more your speed? Mitt Romney? Ben Sasse? What has Trump done not to deserve your full vote? Done. What has he done ? I'm talking actions here.

I agree with this. While all the media is crooning about face masks, COVID, working with one another..., Biden has promised to end "America First." Is it really worth it to see the decline of America and the expected rise of China, Russia, you name it here_________? Was it really worth it to see the swamp come back deeper than ever? Will it be worth it to see our world enemies plot to destroy us as Biden hides in the basement? Maybe hugs and kisses and understanding is all they need? Make no mistake USA is either first or the world will suffer. The USA is the only and willing country to stand against tyranny. Biden has promised to end this. Re-engaging the world and expecting the world to treat us as equal is fools gold...
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/1...-foreign-policy.html

2020 isn’t done with us yet. It’s going to be very interesting. I’m nervous about the state of the country. But hopeful.

I just don't like his attitude. I don't like that he was banging pornstars/escorts and had to try and cover it up. I don't like that he used an executive order to allow the ATF to ban bump stocks.

Other than that as far as I know his policies have aligned with my beliefs.

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I just don't like his attitude. I don't like that he was banging pornstars/escorts and had to try and cover it up. I don't like that he used an executive order to allow the ATF to ban bump stocks.

Other than that as far as I know his policies have aligned with my beliefs.

I think if you knew the details of each of our lives here, you wouldn't like us either. Can't speak for others, but my skeletons are ugly. I am not that person any more. I wonder, what is in your closet? shall we see and have it broadcast? Would you think we could make a fair assessment of who you are now?

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Originally posted by Skull Leader:
I just don't like his attitude. I don't like that he was banging pornstars/escorts and had to try and cover it up. I don't like that he used an executive order to allow the ATF to ban bump stocks.

Other than that as far as I know his policies have aligned with my beliefs.

I would be ALL ears to your ideal viable 2020 candidate who can win a drag-out knuckles fight to the death election.

Seriously.