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Originally posted by ensigmatic:

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Originally posted by leavemebe:
I believe Matt Parker makes some good points on the math as far as he goes.

Which points would those be, please? And why?

Not being argumentative. I truly want to understand which one got it right, and why.

Those are fair questions. First, I am not ascribing bad intent to either of these videos or the analysis performed.

Matt Parker correctly points out the fact that one should not be adding or subtracting percentages unless the populations sizes are known. Moreover, he also points out that you can probably use a straight line fit which may fit the data better. Finally, he notes that when you do the exact same thing with Democrat votes you see a similar relationship which may imply that each party was treated the same. Finally, he calls out the lack of showing the plots for Democrat data in a comparable manner. Typically in a proper presentation you would provide those contrasting views for comparison.

What I think Matt missed is the fact that there is a gap between the % of votes for Trump by those voting by individual candidates and the % that Trump got from straight party voting. Trump got a higher % of individual than straight party in the most heavily Democratic precincts, and when plotted against how Democrat or Republican the precinct is (the x-axis, left to right), the gap remained the same for a while as the precinct became more Republican. Then at some point as the district became more Republican, the gap shrank and eventually flipped, and it was Trump who got less % votes by individual voting than by straight party ticket, and the gap favored Biden over Trump. Ayyadurai says that this makes no sense, and the gap should be about the same regardless of how R or D the district is, and the pattern of those who voted for Trump should be about the same at any precincts. Ayyadurai is alleging that there was an algorithm that switched some votes for President in the individual voting. This would help Biden the most if it happened in the most heavily Republican district, which is what he is alleging. Ayyadurai analysis does not prove that this happened, but it does show a strange pattern, and one that is exactly what it would look like if there was such an algorithm. When you add the fact that there is a documented "weighting" function and the potential for “ballot stuffing” with mail in votes and the big drops of votes only for Biden in multiple Democrat controlled cities, a deep and targeted investigation is warranted.

Honest Americans demand an honest count and there are many 10’s of millions of us.

Hope that helps.

Last word on the "style over substance" argument.

It's weak sauce.

I am willing to bet all my nanners that the "SoS" argument is simply a chickenshit dodge.

They vote for Biden because they are scared of being ridiculed and they buy into the craploads of propaganda, believing the DJT only has three people in all of America voting for him.

One Deplorable, one Chump and an Uncle's monkey.

The other 27 million Americans love Joe.


Serious about the "go along beliving the crap".

All one needs to know can be found reading of the DJT "supporters" () that have turned tail for the same reason.

Let's call it; "Beethoven Syndrome".

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Originally posted by sigmonkey:


I am willing to bet all my nanners that the "SoS" argument is simply a chickenshit dodge.

With ya, brother.

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Originally posted by Woodman:
https://www.washingtonpost.com...DR7BFD3K7MOH5ZSU7EDU

“About 2,600 uncounted votes found in Georgia amid statewide hand recount“

In a heavily-Republican county ...

Yes, Washington Post. Know thy enemy.

800 vote gain for Trump. Grow your stack, diminish the other guy's stack.

Apparently it was blamed on a faulty optical scanner, so it may or may not help reverse the attempt to steal the election. On the other hand, it sure helps justify a full statewide recount of paper ballots.

From the Wire, citing the Atlanta Constitution-Journal -
http://www.yahoo.com/news/geor...-more-222400364.html

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Originally posted by sigmonkey:

They vote for Biden because they are scared of being ridiculed and they buy into the craploads of propaganda, believing the DJT only has three people in all of America voting for him.

OK, so they're too stupid and/or (or both) cowardly to do the right thing? That's even worse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-G4DiefiUJ8


Dan Ball Interview W/ Former CIA Analyst & National Security Council Chief Of Staff, Fred Fleitz

At 5 min, Lou Dobbs reports FBI looking into election.

With the current FBI, I am not filled with anticipation at the revelation that the FBI may be doing "something".

I would not count on the FBI, under its current leadership, of being able to find a Jew in Tel Aviv. Regards 18DAI

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by jimmy123x:

Easy, all of Trumps childish offensive twitter tweets over the past year, did piss off some voters. If it weren't for that he would've cruised away with this election with a land slide.

Oh horseshit.

Maybe not. This is a second-hand account, but a co-worker was chatting with a customer, a woman retired from the military. Yeah, her 401(k) was doing great, she said, but she didn't like Trump's "style," saying that Biden "looks more presidential." As if "Grandpa Badfinger" Biden looks better? Jesus wept. Good thing I wasn't there for it. How many more nitwits are there in this country who vote for style over substance?

You cant project your thoughts and common sense onto others.

My mother is a classic case. She is my mom, and I love her and all, but she is a classic low information voter who gets all her news from NBC nightly news and lives not in the real world. She didnt vote for Trump because "he is a pig and crude"

You cant tell her anything, or you just get basically fingers in the ears and lalalala I cant hear you. There is NO talking to her, there are none so blind as those that refuse to see.

Unfortunately there are many like her. All of us here are smart enough, educated enough, and have enough common sense to see not only do we not care about his style, but we actually embrace it as being necessary. But there are millions of low information voters with no common sense who operate on emotion and bullshit and cannot ever accept that they are ignorant, no matter what is presented in front of them.

"How many more nitwits are there in this country who vote for style over substance?" Millions.... you may not agree with it, you may despise it, you may not be able to comprehend it, but they are out there, they are legion, and they vote. Im not saying I agree with them, I also despise them, but they are there. Thats how you get an AOC, or a president Obama, or half the country voting for Hillary or Biden

Long live President Trump!!

I spoke to a friend in Texas last night for the first time since the election. While he voted for President Trump in 2016 I could not sway him him from voting for Biden this time. He said that he didn't like his mouth, only reason he could give for not voting for President Trump this time

So last night I asked him if he had ever heard of Zeke Emanuel. He said he had not, but when I mentioned he is the brother of Rahm he still did not know who he is and how he is on Biden's Coronavirus response team.

I then said "Well you should, he made the news last year when he said that people should not live past 75." He was taken aback, in fact he said "Hell, I'm 74, that's close to home, that's bullshit!"

And then when I told him about how ol' Zeke said that the U.S. needs to distribute the vaccine to other countries before ours that really lit him up. I then said "You voted for this shit, think about that."

Think I made my point.

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Originally posted by Lord Vaalic:

You cant project your thoughts and common sense onto others.

How many people voted for Trump in 2016 didn't vote for him in 2020 due to his "style"? It's certainly not millions. On the contrary, it seems to me many more people who didn't vote for him in 2016 did vote for him this time.

Anybody else catch this from the "press conference" yesterday:

President-Elect Joe Biden: (32:09)
But what I’m insisting on, and what I’ve been asked by world leaders, as to what I would do, without getting into detail, I’ve said, “But I want you to know that there are three things are going to happen if I’m elected. One, we’re going to invest in American workers and make them more competitive. Number two, we’re going to make sure that labor is at the table and environmentalist are at the table in any trade deals we make.” And I’m not looking for punitive trade. The idea that we are poking our finger in the eyes of our friends and embracing autocrats makes no sense to me.

https://www.rev.com/blog/trans...anscript-november-16


So either Joe's dementia kicked in and he doesn't remember his handlers telling him he's "won," or it's a Freudian slip and he knows his "win" is a fraud and the eventual outcome is uncertain.

^^^^^^^^^
Lots of them out there. Voted for Biden cause they don’t like Trumps style. Cut their nose off to spite their face. I asked friends, tell me what Biden’s going to do that you like, crickets,, they just didn’t like Trumps style.

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Originally posted by BMR:
Anybody else catch this from the "press conference" yesterday:

President-Elect Joe Biden: (32:09)
But what I’m insisting on, and what I’ve been asked by world leaders, as to what I would do, without getting into detail, I’ve said, “But I want you to know that there are three things are going to happen if I’m elected. One, we’re going to invest in American workers and make them more competitive. Number two, we’re going to make sure that labor is at the table and environmentalist are at the table in any trade deals we make.” And I’m not looking for punitive trade. The idea that we are poking our finger in the eyes of our friends and embracing autocrats makes no sense to me.

https://www.rev.com/blog/trans...anscript-november-16


So either Joe's dementia kicked in and he doesn't remember his handlers telling him he's "won," or it's a Freudian slip and he knows his "win" is a fraud and the eventual outcome is uncertain.

Good points, but to me, nothing in th at press conference was coherent.

Style / looks have always been a factor in elections. Remember the 1960 election? People who listened on the Radio to the Nixon-Kennedy debate thought Nixon won the debate and people who watched it on TV thought Kennedy won the debate.

Look at Clinton in the 90's. Known women abuser, yet tons of women voted for him - go figure.

With Trump, the media just harped on Trump's style 25 hours per day non-stop. It will sway the weak minded, and most people are weak minded.

So these fools chose a clown in the bunker who struggles to put coherent sentences together for a guy who is the energizer bunny.

Will Trump pull it out? With the courts corrupted, I have my concerns. The Supreme court can stay out if it, if it wants too and Roberts is a swamp creature when it comes down to it.

As far as state legislatures republican controlled, going against the vote in their disputed election states: Not going to hold my breath. Courage seems to be lacking there.

I'm not even sure if it came to the one state one vote in US HOR that these disputed states would vote against their election results.

The ONLY exception to either above scenario is IF, enough evidence can be provided to sway them - preferable with pro-Trump court rulings in these matters - to give cover to these state's republican reps at state or federal level to vote against their respective election results due to 'proved' fraud.

Time will tell.

Biden knows he lost. Outside of how President Trump was (is) treated. The fact that the traitors think we are stupid and all is hunky dory infuriates me to the point of insanity.

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Originally posted by Sigfest:
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Lots of them out there. Voted for Biden cause they don’t like Trumps style. Cut their nose off to spite their face. I asked friends, tell me what Biden’s going to do that you like, crickets,, they just didn’t like Trumps style.

Same here in the Democratic stronghold of Tucson, where we have "Safe Place" signs on Busses and "Be Kind" stickers on cars.

People down here thought Trump was mean.

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Originally posted by Sigfest:
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Lots of them out there. Voted for Biden cause they don’t like Trumps style. Cut their nose off to spite their face. I asked friends, tell me what Biden’s going to do that you like, crickets,, they just didn’t like Trumps style.

But did they vote for him in 2016?

I lied.

It is not about "Trump's Style".

That is an excuse, pure, simple and boiled down, you start with the entire barrel of "Trump's Style" and put fire under it, heat until all the moisture is liberated and what you end up with is 100% pure, unadulterated bullshit.

Almost every one of them is fearful of Trump, for some, it is fear of the lies the enemies of Trump propagate, and that is mostly the "reprocessing of the same lie", or to be vulgar but direct, the people eat shit, then expel shit and another eats and so forth and in doing so, all their minds are poisoned and they insanely continue the process at a frenetic pace.

Yep, sort of like the zombie movies. (metaphors exist for a reason).


Others hate what Trump stand for, Law and Order, true "goodness" for this nation, and a desire for opportunity for all to thrive. What does that mean and why would others hate this?

Because, Law and Order, and the rest of that up there, means you cannot steal your way to what you want, you cannot have others take from those who work to have and provide it to those who will not, you cannot provide an "easy path" to certain people without taking from those who "make the path". In Trump's "world" there is no free lunch and no crying in baseball. "Others" hate that.

Then are the outright criminal folk, (and it is wide as the energy spectrum, from before we can see to far beyond what we can see). Rather than provide examples, simply imagine the spectrum and realize each of you can perceive the things that are "criminal" and the width and breadth of it in all its manifestations.


And lastly, its the "Greatest Excuse", all one need say is; "Trump's Style", and it is similar to the "race" card, circle logic that no one can effectively argue, because it is a fiction, and you there is not "proof" for the lie, except the truth, and there is no truth in the lie. (yeah, I know some lies have an element, or even a great part being truth, but the above is 100% fiction, so it's moot)

No, I have not been to the TimeCube, all of my brains get together and compare notes so it's sort of messy.

But, simply, "Trump's Style" is bullshit and an easy excuse for the lazy and self centered person to swim in a sewer and come out smelling like a rose. (but only in their mind...)

And I do not feel sorry for any one of them, nor the fate that may befall them.

Fuck them all.