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Originally posted by SIGnified:

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Originally posted by Aglifter:
So, not nearly as fast as a Plaid, as a daily driver.

I liked my old Porsches, and I will be buying another old Viper, but they do not pull anything like a Tesla.

I seriously doubt any 550 hp car has a quarter remotely close to that of a Plaid or 3P

I already said and electrics gonna beat anything from a dig. I have to shift manual transmission. My quarter-mile time is 3.2 I know Tesla at 2.5s can do it faster. We’re not talking about drag races here. Dragging from a dig is a very specialized suspension setup.

Anybody that spent any time behind the wheel knows A fast driving road car doesn’t necessarily have a great dig time.

Who wants to put their money where their mouth is?

Do you think really that Plaid can do 205 mph for any length of time? I doubt it could even stay within a half mile of me on the pull from 75 to 185 mph, especially after 15 minutes of hard driving.

We haven’t even begun to talk braking and turning. Haha ha … See ya!

To be able to top ICE performance cars. Tesla still has a long way to go on "race tracks" The weight of the car and it's brakes are the largest issues. I've seen videos of the Plaid brakes smoking after a few hard runs.

For what it's worth I saw this:
The American car manufacturer Tesla has set the official record for electric vehicles at the Nürburgring. The "Model S Plaid" lapped the 20.8-kilometre Nordschleife in 7:35.579 minutes. The 1,020 hp vehicle with a tri-motor was driven by Swedish driver Andreas Simonsen.

There is a full video of the run out there for anyone that cares. But that's a pretty good time for a stock EV.

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Originally posted by myrottiety:

To be able to top ICE performance cars. Tesla still has a long way to go on "race tracks" The weight of the car and it's brakes are the largest issues. I've seen videos of the Plaid brakes smoking after a few hard runs.

For what it's worth I saw this:
The American car manufacturer Tesla has set the official record for electric vehicles at the Nürburgring. The "Model S Plaid" lapped the 20.8-kilometre Nordschleife in 7:35.579 minutes. The 1,020 hp vehicle with a tri-motor was driven by Swedish driver Andreas Simonsen.

There is a full video of the run out there for anyone that cares. But that's a pretty good time for a stock EV.

And a Porsche GT2 is under 6.40’ … (My car is very similar w x50 and tune … works a little different/better on the track because of the AWD.)

No recharge, no critical brake fade, ready to lap all day long. Run out of gas? Refill in less than 10 minutes.

Look at the Cannonball run times for EVs. A day behind everybody else in an ICE.

I picked up a Model S Long Range (6 mos. from order to deliver). Incredible car, 0-60 in 3 seconds, Excellent Autopilot. I’ve had high performance and luxury ICE cars, I can’t imagine going back to one. One pedal driving is so easy in traffic. I summarize the Model S as a rocket merged with a MacBook. With over-the-air software upgrades the car becomes more capable the longer you own it. Downsides can be customer service, long wait times for parts / repairs.

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Originally posted by MagnumU:
I picked up a Model S Long Range (6 mos. from order to deliver). Incredible car, 0-60 in 3 seconds, Excellent Autopilot. I’ve had high performance and luxury ICE cars, I can’t imagine going back to one. One pedal driving is so easy in traffic. I summarize the Model S as a rocket merged with a MacBook. With over-the-air software upgrades the car becomes more capable the longer you own it. Downsides can be customer service, long wait times for parts / repairs.

Does it come with the log4j security feature?

On a more serious note, I would never want autonomous or wireless software connectivity to my automobile. Never in 1gg years.

Oh let’s reboot while on the highway…

Security patch needed because there’s ransomware on your ignition start …

.gov decides you shouldn’t be driving anymore (put any reason why here)…


Firmware update for my TV? OK!
FW update for my car? Only letting the dealer or qualified mechanic do it thru OBD wired port.

So for a knuckle dragging truck owner here, educate me on driving these cross country. Say if one were to own a Tesla these days and take it on vacation, are there expedited charging stations of some sort that you can stop at (which charge super fast), or would you really have to stop every 300ish miles and wait for around 7.5 hours (40 miles charge per hour) to recharge? Am I missing something?

Fast charging takes about 20-30 min. Lots of chargin stations. I drove mine frequently from CHS to MIA and to Texas a few times.

And teslas are pigs over 105.

Not track cars, at all, but great commuters.

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Originally posted by slabsides45:
So for a knuckle dragging truck owner here, educate me on driving these cross country. Say if one were to own a Tesla these days and take it on vacation, are there expedited charging stations of some sort that you can stop at (which charge super fast), or would you really have to stop every 300ish miles and wait for around 7.5 hours (40 miles charge per hour) to recharge? Am I missing something?

There is a large network of superchargers. All at convenient places. Shopping centers & etc. Can drive cross country if you wanted stopping ever 300 miles+/- to top off.

Super Charger Map

charging isn't a linear timeline....you can get to 75-80% very quickly. It's the last 80-100% charge that takes hours, just due to battery chemistry (same on your phone).

Tesla doesn't recommend charging to 100% anyways as far as longevity of the cells and the health of the system so most only do it when they know their route requires them to.

Driving one of these long distances is akin to riding with someone with a small bladder. Stop every 250mi (3-4hrs) for a bathroom break and top-off the charge in 20min and then back on your way (vs. hypermiling 600mi in a diesel Passat non-stop). In fact, the Tesla Nav plans that very route for you...choosing appropriate places to stop based on charge level and distances involved.

My wife has taken her Model 3 LR from NoVA down to see her brother or our kid's friend (both in NC) or even down to the NC beaches near Myrtle Beach SC. 8-10hr drives. Only real concern is whether the destination you're going to has charging available if you're planning to be there for a week or so (i.e. the beach).

Here's our Model 3, done in hard color shift, hyperflex spray dip. My wife bought T-Sportline wheels and lowering springs (and even did the suspension swap herself).

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Here's our Model 3, done in hard color shift, hyperflex spray dip. My wife bought T-Sportline wheels and lowering springs (and even did the suspension swap herself).

Woah! That's gorgeous.

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Originally posted by slabsides45:
So for a knuckle dragging truck owner here, educate me on driving these cross country. Say if one were to own a Tesla these days and take it on vacation, are there expedited charging stations of some sort that you can stop at (which charge super fast), or would you really have to stop every 300ish miles and wait for around 7.5 hours (40 miles charge per hour) to recharge? Am I missing something?

I don’t on a EV but am interested in them as a possible add to the family fleet. As I understand it one of the major benefits of a Tesla as opposed to other brands is their charging network which is being expanded weekly. The car will automatically route you to what ever charging stations are along your route. As an example a neighbor of mine took his Tesla from Smith Mt. Lake, VA to the Grand Canyon and in planning the route the in-house gps also showed him where to stop and for how long.

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Originally posted by SIGnified:
…And a Porsche GT2 is under 6.40’ … (My car is very similar w x50 and tune … works a little different/better on the track because of the AWD.)

No recharge, no critical brake fade, ready to lap all day long. Run out of gas? Refill in less than 10 minutes.

Look at the Cannonball run times for EVs. A day behind everybody else in an ICE.

Signified, my friend, I am a long time Porsche owner, former racer and National instructor. Please don’t think for one minute that your turbo with the X51 package is as good or better than a GT2 on the track. It’s just not the case.
The GT 2 probably has more HP than yours, weighs about 400 less and has a lot of various bits and pieces that make it a GT car.

The plain fact is that unless you (or me) are a pro driver the driver is the limiting factor as to how quick any car is.

Have a Merry Christmas!

Seems a Plaid is PLENTY capable on the track in capable hands (in this case, Willow Springs). A Model 3 Performance also is in the top 50 for course records.

I am seriously considering an EV if the weekly cost of operation is substantially less.

I drive over 75 miles a day an need it to go 5 days. It cost me around $60 a week to drive the dino juice powered vehicles and for the cost of an EV, it better be under half.

I could give two shits less about the speed and performance as I'm not a wannabe race car driver nor do I think I am.

^^^Exactly. Evaluate an EV based on your own needs and if it works for you, fantastic.

There was a good article posted from an early adopter of the Model S who put something like 350-400K miles on the car over 8yrs. I'll see if I can find it.

Summarized, he calculated TCO at about 20% of what a comparable vehicle had cost him previously.

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I am seriously considering an EV if the weekly cost of operation is substantially less.

I drive over 75 miles a day an need it to go 5 days. It cost me around $60 a week to drive the dino juice powered vehicles and for the cost of an EV, it better be under half.

I could give two shits less about the speed and performance as I'm not a wannabe race car driver nor do I think I am.

For what it's worth probably won't need brakes due to engine regen braking till around 100K miles. No Oil changes, to transmission fluid, etc. Only real maintenance is changing tires and adding washer fluid.

Doing the math with Cobb EMC @ I can fill it up my Model 3 Long Range at home for $6. Get around 300-350 miles. I'd say that's pretty freaking good. From what I've seen on the road super charger costs are closer to $15-$20 to fill up. I just haven't needed to use one yet.

Either way still significantly cheaper than gas.

Problem right now is that even used Model 3s 2-3 years old are selling basically at the cost of a brand new one. Only reason I bought new. Plus buying new you get the 120K warranty on the powertrain (Battery degradation guarantee & motor coverage).

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Originally posted by Mars_Attacks:
I am seriously considering an EV if the weekly cost of operation is substantially less.

I drive over 75 miles a day an need it to go 5 days. It cost me around $60 a week to drive the dino juice powered vehicles and for the cost of an EV, it better be under half.

I could give two shits less about the speed and performance as I'm not a wannabe race car driver nor do I think I am.

I just looked up my cost YTD..

19,674 miles....$637 charging cost at home

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That’s pretty damn impressive. It comes out to 3.2 cents per mile.

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Originally posted by slabsides45:
So for a knuckle dragging truck owner here, educate me on driving these cross country. Say if one were to own a Tesla these days and take it on vacation, are there expedited charging stations of some sort that you can stop at (which charge super fast), or would you really have to stop every 300ish miles and wait for around 7.5 hours (40 miles charge per hour) to recharge? Am I missing something?

KIA just beat Teslas record of charge time from NY to California. The total charge time for over 2000 miles was 7 hours and 10 minutes. Not sure why everyone has to take the most extreme examples of why EV’s won’t work for them. Most people really don’t drive that far very often. I personally haven’t driven over 300 miles in one sitting in my entire life. I’m not wasting my precious vacation time staring out a car window for several days of my vacation. If I can’t get their in half a day I’m flying.

Let’s say you go to grandma’s once a year and she honestly does live across the country. It’s not that expensive to rent a big comfy car and put 2000 miles on the rental.