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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
Ok, so they knew this was most likely a recovery mission from the very start.

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Top Secret U.S. Navy System Detected Titan Sub Implosion Days Ago

The U.S. Navy detected the moment when the Titan submersible imploded earlier this week after it lost communications with its host ship.

“The U.S. Navy conducted an analysis of acoustic data and detected an anomaly consistent with an implosion or explosion in the general vicinity of where the Titan submersible was operating when communications were lost,” a senior U.S. Navy official told The Wall Street Journal in a statement. “While not definitive, this information was immediately shared with the Incident Commander to assist with the ongoing search and rescue mission.”

https://www.dailywire.com/news...b-implosion-days-ago

I saw that too. If this technology is supposed to be so Top Secret, then why did the "senior Navy official" tell the WSJ?

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Originally posted by Dwill104:

Would it have changed anything?

Yes, it would've given the public a realistic expectation of the outcome instead of allowing the media to string their viewers along like there was ever a chance.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by Dwill104:

Would it have changed anything?

Yes, it would've given the public a realistic expectation of the outcome instead of allowing the media to string their viewers along like there was ever a chance.

Also, would've quashed that "hearing banging" story that's been all over the news for 2-days that had to give the family so much false hope.

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Originally posted by mark123:
Yeah, I wonder if the victims had insurmountable tax debt or other reasons to die with no bodies to identify. Ok, that’s my conspiracy their for today … oh, look! Biden’s getting impeached.

Keep politics out of this thread. Mark, you damn well know better. No excuse.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
Ok, so they knew this was most likely a recovery mission from the very start.

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Top Secret U.S. Navy System Detected Titan Sub Implosion Days Ago

The U.S. Navy detected the moment when the Titan submersible imploded earlier this week after it lost communications with its host ship.

“The U.S. Navy conducted an analysis of acoustic data and detected an anomaly consistent with an implosion or explosion in the general vicinity of where the Titan submersible was operating when communications were lost,” a senior U.S. Navy official told The Wall Street Journal in a statement. “While not definitive, this information was immediately shared with the Incident Commander to assist with the ongoing search and rescue mission.”

https://www.dailywire.com/news...b-implosion-days-ago

Story warping sensationalism to fit a narrative.... government could've done something but, because Top Secret, facts are known afterwards.
Media is so desperate to break anything technologically related that they don't even know what they're saying before publishing it. An implosion was always the most likely result, the depths are unforgiving, there's no margin for error. While the sounds of an implosion were recorded, and likely reported to the search teams, you still have to find the site/debris area, thus no reason to announce it until evidence is found and/or a photograph can be provided. I'm not worked up over this, the media was desperate for a survival story, perhaps the talking heads should've downplayed any rescue or, 'how much oxygen is left' countdown that the news kept throwing out there.

regarding the report of a Navy system possibly detecting the implosion

The source report on this is from WSJ

https://www.wsj.com/articles/u...on-days-ago-6844cb12

The Navy asked that the specific system used not be named, citing national security concerns. It is normally used to detect enemy submarines.

“It looks that the Titan imploded on Sunday on its way down to the Titanic shortly after contact was lost at a depth of around 9,000 feet,” a person with direct knowledge of the matter said.



While the Navy couldn’t say definitively the sound came from the Titan, the discovery played a role in narrowing the scope of the search for the vessel before its debris was discovered Thursday, the officials said.

“The U.S. Navy conducted an analysis of acoustic data and detected an anomaly consistent with an implosion or explosion in the general vicinity of where the Titan submersible was operating when communications were lost,” a senior U.S. Navy official told The Wall Street Journal in a statement. “While not definitive, this information was immediately shared with the Incident Commander to assist with the ongoing search and rescue mission.”

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Originally posted by erj_pilot:
Question…as the FAA is the governing body for all things aviation (even “experimental” builds), who is the governing body for something like this, submersible wise?

Doesn't seem to be a regulatory body for subs, seems more like the industry voluntarily follows various standards and procedures.

Probably because there really aren't a whole lot of subs in operation and the likelihood of accidents that harm anyone but the occupants is low. FAA has to worry about collisions in the air, during takeoff and landing, and crashes - all of which can hurt a lot more people than just the passengers. FAA was established out of need once aviation really got big.

After this I think we will see more strict regulation. The owner of this thing was like many other arrogant "tech" type people that want to change the world. They think they are smarter than the old white guys with all the experience, and generally they find out they aren't. Tesla went through that. They thought they knew better than old Detroit guys about how to build a welded steel unibody car (Model 3) at a lower price than the Model S which is more aerospace technology in it's design and manufacture. They found out real fast they didn't know shit. They bought a bunch of robots to automate the body shop and couldn't get them to work and resorted to manual processes.

The whole situation is not that different than the various people trying to invent the first plane or race early cars or motorcycles and getting themselves killed. The difference here is the expectation that when some thing like this happens the government has to go spend a shit ton of money and mobilize all available resources to search/rescue/salvage. But there is a body of knowledge over several decades about how to build deep sea subs and ignoring it is foolish.

I'm not an expert on subs but I had to learn pressure vessel design, material failure dynamics, cyclic loading fatigue and all that. A carbon fiber tube with titanium end caps bonded on does not sound like a good idea. For high pressure gaseous fuel tanks, plastic tanks with carbon fiber wrap seems to be the direction - but that is using carbon fiber in tension, not compression.

I was thinking earlier that the complexities of deep sea subs are more like space travel than aircraft. The margin for error is minimal.

So they knew it imploded four days ago, and at what depth, but that’s news today. Yeah. Ok.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
Ok, so they knew this was most likely a recovery mission from the very start.
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Recover what? The pieces of imploded sub?

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Originally posted by Sig2340:


Recover what?

Closure.

So, no bodies? As in wait 7 years for life insurance payments?

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So, no bodies?

Between the old white guy saying “extremely hostile environment” in the press briefing, and someone likening the implosion action to a mega-diesel engine cylinder type explosion, plus the water ingress happening faster than the speed of sound, makes me think proooooobably not…

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Originally posted by AKSuperDually:
So, no bodies? As in wait 7 years for life insurance payments?

They liquified in less than a second.

OK, spoiled little prick alert:

'My family would want me to be here': Stepson of British billionaire on board missing Titanic sub attends Blink-182 concert AFTER learning of disappearance and says: 'Music helps me in difficult times'

Oh yeah

The Navy handled the situation properly.

They had a detection that might have been the implosion of the Titan.

They provided that info to the Coast Guard. At that point there was no definitive high credibility evidence regarding Titan.

The search continued. It was the discovery of the Titan parts that provided the solid evidence needed.

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Originally posted by tatortodd:

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by Dwill104:

Would it have changed anything?

Yes, it would've given the public a realistic expectation of the outcome instead of allowing the media to string their viewers along like there was ever a chance.

Also, would've quashed that "hearing banging" story that's been all over the news for 2-days that had to give the family so much false hope.

Wouldn’t have quashed anything. It was only presented as a possible sound, not as 100% definite proof of an implosion. I know it’s fashionable to hate the media, but who’s at fault here? The Navy told the leadership of the USCG, who were running the search. They choose to not mention it, as well as keep searching, so it seems like they were the ones who were giving out “false hope”, not the media.

Speaking of the media, most of the media reports I saw had segments or interviews that made it pretty clear that success was more unlikely than not. A lot of people made it clear that if the sub was intact and stuck on the bottom, the possibility of finding them and getting them back to the surface in time was pretty low, mostly because of equipment limitations. Not having the necessary equipment on site, mostly.

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Originally posted by sdy:
The Navy handled the situation properly.

They had a detection that might have been the implosion of the Titan.

They provided that info to the Coast Guard. At that point there was no definitive high credibility evidence regarding Titan.

The search continued. It was the discovery of the Titan parts that provided the solid evidence needed.

No, obviously it was a conspiracy to manipulate the news cycle.

Has anyone said how deep they think the vessel was when it imploded/exploded?

About 9000 ft according to post a few posts above.