Oh, yes, Mr. I'm-the-world's-foremost-authority-on-the-Titanic-and-blue-people. We must hear from him.

I heard something on the news that made me go Huh. They said the vessel was rated to go to the depths where the Titanic lay which is about 12,500 ft. But the one window they use is rated only for 4,000 ft. ummm...

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/21...bmersible/index.html

“At some point, safety just is pure waste,” Stockton told journalist David Pogue in an interview last year. “I mean, if you just want to be safe, don’t get out of bed. Don’t get in your car. Don’t do anything.”

In another interview, Stockton boasted that he’d “broken some rules” in his career.

“I think it was General MacArthur who said you’re remembered for the rules you break,” Rush said in a video interview with Mexican YouTuber Alan Estrada last year. “And I’ve broken some rules to make this. I think I’ve broken them with logic and good engineering behind me.”

In his eagerness to explore, Rush has often appeared skeptical, if not dismissive, of regulations that might slow innovation.

The commercial sub industry is “obscenely safe” he told Smithsonian, “because they have all these regulations. But it also hasn’t innovated or grown — because they have all these regulations.”

Even within OceanGate, warnings from employees about safety appear to have been ignored or disregarded.

David Lochridge, OceanGate’s former director of marine operations, said in a court filing that he was wrongfully terminated in 2018 for raising concerns about the safety and testing of the Titan. The case was settled out of court, and the terms weren’t disclosed.

Another former employee, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, echoed Lochridge’s concerns. That employee said that as contractors and employees raised red flags, Rush became defensive and dodged questions in staff meetings.

“What I’ve seen with the ultra-rich — money is no object when it comes to experiences,” said Nick D’Annunzio, the owner of public relations firm TARA, Ink. “They want something they they’ll never forget.”

In that respect, Rush shares something in common with his clients. In his interview with Smithsonian in 2019, he relayed his almost-spiritual attraction to the deep sea. He called it “the deep disease.”

“I went to 75 feet. I saw cool stuff. I went 100 feet and saw more cool stuff. And I was like, ‘Wow, what’s it gonna be like at the end of this thing?’”

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Originally posted by Mars_Attacks:
That much pressure, that quick, detonated the occupants in the fuel/air mixture like a diesel engine.

There will be no bodies to recover.

Yeah, I wonder if the victims had insurmountable tax debt or other reasons to die with no bodies to identify. Ok, that’s my conspiracy their for today … oh, look! Biden’s getting impeached.

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Originally posted by Rey HRH:
I heard something on the news that made me go Huh. They said the vessel was rated to go to the depths where the Titanic lay which is about 12,500 ft. But the one window they use is rated only for 4,000 ft. ummm...

This was mentioned on page 7, but yes.

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Originally posted by sdy:

In another interview, Stockton boasted that he’d “broken some rules” in his career.

Clip of the interview, ignore it past 20 seconds, the guy goes over familiar ground.

Ok, so they knew this was most likely a recovery mission from the very start.

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Top Secret U.S. Navy System Detected Titan Sub Implosion Days Ago

The U.S. Navy detected the moment when the Titan submersible imploded earlier this week after it lost communications with its host ship.

“The U.S. Navy conducted an analysis of acoustic data and detected an anomaly consistent with an implosion or explosion in the general vicinity of where the Titan submersible was operating when communications were lost,” a senior U.S. Navy official told The Wall Street Journal in a statement. “While not definitive, this information was immediately shared with the Incident Commander to assist with the ongoing search and rescue mission.”

https://www.dailywire.com/news...b-implosion-days-ago

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Originally posted by kkina:

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Originally posted by Rey HRH:
I heard something on the news that made me go Huh. They said the vessel was rated to go to the depths where the Titanic lay which is about 12,500 ft. But the one window they use is rated only for 4,000 ft. ummm...

This was mentioned on page 7, but yes.

Uhm, wait a minute...

We hear that it was instantaneous, but is that something everybody just says to make everyone feel better about the amount of suffering that may have occurred, or is this fact and common knowlege with submariners and submersible people given the wreckage discovered so far ?

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Originally posted by wrightd:
We hear that it was instantaneous, but is that something everybody just says to make everyone feel better about the amount of suffering that may have occurred, or is this fact and common knowlege with submariners and submersible people given the wreckage discovered so far ?

It's possible perhaps that they had some warning that things were going bad, but once that bad thing happened, yeah, pretty instantaneous. No pain.

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Originally posted by wrightd:
We hear that it was instantaneous, but is that something everybody just says to make everyone feel better about the amount of suffering that may have occurred, or is this fact and common knowlege with submariners and submersible people given the wreckage discovered so far ?

Its common knowledge.

The incredible pressure changes the point at which air detonates.

Look on YT for the video of the nuke shot at 2,000' BSL. There were mini-subs (unmanned) with video feeds to the surface.

You also need to know that water is not your friend that far down. A pinhole will start as a waterjet cutter, then a microsecond later, BOOM.

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Originally posted by wrightd:
We hear that it was instantaneous, but is that something everybody just says to make everyone feel better about the amount of suffering that may have occurred, or is this fact and common knowlege with submariners and submersible people given the wreckage discovered so far ?

Physics and the numbers involved are pretty determinative.

If this happened at the floor depth (I know the CG says it happened sometime after comms were lost but I don't recall that depth) the water would have shot in at around 19,000 mph and that doesn't include talking about the actual PSI of around 3,500.

An average eye blink is about 100 milliseconds long and that's 224 mph so at 19,000 mph, you truly have no time to react.

It's not us saying things to make us feel better about a horrible death. They had no time to react and never knew what happened.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
Ok, so they knew this was most likely a recovery mission from the very start.

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Top Secret U.S. Navy System Detected Titan Sub Implosion Days Ago

The U.S. Navy detected the moment when the Titan submersible imploded earlier this week after it lost communications with its host ship.

“The U.S. Navy conducted an analysis of acoustic data and detected an anomaly consistent with an implosion or explosion in the general vicinity of where the Titan submersible was operating when communications were lost,” a senior U.S. Navy official told The Wall Street Journal in a statement. “While not definitive, this information was immediately shared with the Incident Commander to assist with the ongoing search and rescue mission.”

https://www.dailywire.com/news...b-implosion-days-ago

I'd heard this rumor too, but couldn't find much confirmation. I wonder if it was intentionally suppressed for some reason.

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Originally posted by Mars_Attacks:
Jared Fogle is no longer the worst thing to happen to subs.

Pretty funny right there.

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Originally posted by PASig:
Fun fact: the debris field of the sub was discovered by 50-year-old white guys. Go figure.

LOL! First Mars and then you. You guys are winning the internet today.

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Originally posted by ScreamingCockatoo:
I guess that carbon fiber was bast the number of cycles it could withstand.

Kinda like the wise old owl that decided it took three licks to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop.

Well, here is my contribution to the memeverse…

These have been turning up on submarines.

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Originally posted by kkina:

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
Ok, so they knew this was most likely a recovery mission from the very start.

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Top Secret U.S. Navy System Detected Titan Sub Implosion Days Ago

The U.S. Navy detected the moment when the Titan submersible imploded earlier this week after it lost communications with its host ship.

“The U.S. Navy conducted an analysis of acoustic data and detected an anomaly consistent with an implosion or explosion in the general vicinity of where the Titan submersible was operating when communications were lost,” a senior U.S. Navy official told The Wall Street Journal in a statement. “While not definitive, this information was immediately shared with the Incident Commander to assist with the ongoing search and rescue mission.”

https://www.dailywire.com/news...b-implosion-days-ago

I'd heard this rumor too, but couldn't find much confirmation. I wonder if it was intentionally suppressed for some reason.

Would it have changed anything? If they had said SOSUS heard something that might have been an underwater implosion about the time that the sub vanished, would they have just called off the search and rescue, or done anything different? I kind of doubt it.

Question…as the FAA is the governing body for all things aviation (even “experimental” builds), who is the governing body for something like this, submersible wise?