"Oh Fuck!!" about says it all.

R main collapse putting the plane onto the wing, breaking it off & asymmetrical lift rolling it over?

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Originally posted by P250UA5:
R main collapse putting the plane onto the wing, breaking it off & asymmetrical lift rolling it over?

That's what it looks like, but it sure is hard to see details. To me it does not appear to be an abnormal pitch angle nor a destructively hard landing. The 900 is a very strong airplane.

The FDR will show the rate of descent and how many G's were experienced at touchdown. Examination of the gear will reveal if anything was broken before touchdown which could have caused it to collapse.

They obviously didn’t land short and visibility looks decent.

Since the landing happened in Canada, who investigates? Does Canada have an NTSB equivalent?

Looks like he put the right mains into the dirt.

As a survivor of a small place crash July 29 2023 at 1620 hours. Lost power and 70 ft AGL. Topped two cedars stopped for an instant then went nose down from about 35 ft. I’m a skydiver with 722 jumps and I have not been in an airplane since. I’ve never experienced a jolt like that in my life. I think when a major incident (Watch Air Disasters) happens the engineers try to take that possibility out of the equation. Thus taking skills from pilots. I’ve got a bunch of hours in aircraft both from jumping and just flying. Like I said,I haven’t flown since the crash. I’d love to fly my parachute but I cannot get on an airplane. Did my first jump in 1999 and this past summer I didn’t make one jump. This sucks. I loved to fly. Now I’m sick again with the big C and don’t see flying in my future. But there are a lot of plane crashes these days.

Looks like the rate of descent was too much, the plane looks to slam into the runway

Video out today shows it clearly.. it won't let me imbed, but it's all over the news.

https://www.foxnews.com/video/6368998633112

^^^You're in luck! You don't have to know how to embed it because it was posted and embedded in the first post on this page.

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Originally posted by Fly-Sig:
That crosswind is well within the aircraft capabilities. The landing limitations have a lot of fat built in.

The 900 is a good landing aircraft. It isn't terribly squirrelly. It is also a strong airplane. Breaking off a wing or landing gear is extraordinary.

It rolled over after it hit.

One TV commenter said it looked like a hard landing without adequate flare, and perhaps the gear collapsed, initiating a roll. Luckily, it rolled mostly on one axis. Of course, this is a premature speculation, so we'll see.

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Originally posted by kkina:
I'm seeing a hard touch-down, the right wing breaking off, and an immediate fireball. I imagine the lift from the remaining wing rolled it over upside down.

Maybe the right main gear failed? It did look pretty hard.

Micro downburst just as it was landing maybe?

My two cents worth is the right main gear either failed completely or it went off the runway, causing the gear to collapse.

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Originally posted by 1gkek:

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Originally posted by kkina:
I'm seeing a hard touch-down, the right wing breaking off, and an immediate fireball. I imagine the lift from the remaining wing rolled it over upside down.

Maybe the right main gear failed? It did look pretty hard.

Yes, I believe that's what happened.

If you watch the wheel alignment in the video Balze posted, they seem level up to about 3 seconds before touchdown where a pronounced roll initiates. I'm thinking windshear pushed the right main gear into the pavement, collapsing it, slamming the right wing into the ground where it detached completely.

Then lift from the remaining left wing rolled the fuselage upside down as it slid down the runway.

I read that, just before touchdown, the CRJ's descent rate was over 1000 fpm. In the video, it looked like the touchdown was very hard, which likely collapsed the right main gear. When an approach is unstable, as this one seemed to be, standard protocol is to go around rather than try to salvage an unstable approach. Airlines have these procedures for good reason, as there is an unacceptable risk that bad things can follow when pilots deviate.

Vertical descent speed may very well have been a factor. But I'm still seeing a pronounced banking to the right about 3 seconds before impact. What caused that?

From Juan:

https://youtu.be/oOYiQG43v64

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Originally posted by savoy6:
I read that, just before touchdown, the CRJ's descent rate was over 1000 fpm. In the video, it looked like the touchdown was very hard, which likely collapsed the right main gear. When an approach is unstable, as this one seemed to be, standard protocol is to go around rather than try to salvage an unstable approach. Airlines have these procedures for good reason, as there is an unacceptable risk that bad things can follow when pilots deviate.

CEO at work came in & this came up. He said he heard 1100 fpm descent rate. Initially it didn't look that steep from the in-car recorded video, but it seems to drop quicker once it crossed the threshold.

Question for the pilots:

Could the aircraft that was holding at 23 block the wind from 270 such that it would have an effect on the landing CRJ900?

In Juan’s video posted above, it’s only the last data point that suddenly changes. The 2nd to last data point was 480’ per minute decent.

Pic of the aircraft showing left wing still attached.