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Delta RJ900 crashes in Toronto
February 18, 2025, 07:39 AM
Balzé HalzéDelta RJ900 crashes in Toronto
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February 18, 2025, 07:50 AM
hooch"Oh Fuck!!" about says it all.
February 18, 2025, 07:53 AM
P250UA5R main collapse putting the plane onto the wing, breaking it off & asymmetrical lift rolling it over?
The Enemy's gate is down. February 18, 2025, 08:30 AM
Fly-Sigquote:
Originally posted by P250UA5:
R main collapse putting the plane onto the wing, breaking it off & asymmetrical lift rolling it over?
That's what it looks like, but it sure is hard to see details. To me it does not appear to be an abnormal pitch angle nor a destructively hard landing. The 900 is a very strong airplane.
The FDR will show the rate of descent and how many G's were experienced at touchdown. Examination of the gear will reveal if anything was broken before touchdown which could have caused it to collapse.
February 18, 2025, 08:43 AM
trapper189They obviously didn’t land short and visibility looks decent.
Since the landing happened in Canada, who investigates? Does Canada have an NTSB equivalent?
February 18, 2025, 09:10 AM
Mars_AttacksLooks like he put the right mains into the dirt.
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February 18, 2025, 09:13 AM
ImabmwnutAs a survivor of a small place crash July 29 2023 at 1620 hours. Lost power and 70 ft AGL. Topped two cedars stopped for an instant then went nose down from about 35 ft. I’m a skydiver with 722 jumps and I have not been in an airplane since. I’ve never experienced a jolt like that in my life. I think when a major incident (Watch Air Disasters) happens the engineers try to take that possibility out of the equation. Thus taking skills from pilots. I’ve got a bunch of hours in aircraft both from jumping and just flying. Like I said,I haven’t flown since the crash. I’d love to fly my parachute but I cannot get on an airplane. Did my first jump in 1999 and this past summer I didn’t make one jump. This sucks. I loved to fly. Now I’m sick again with the big C and don’t see flying in my future. But there are a lot of plane crashes these days.
February 18, 2025, 09:42 AM
HRKLooks like the rate of descent was too much, the plane looks to slam into the runway
Video out today shows it clearly.. it won't let me imbed, but it's all over the news.
https://www.foxnews.com/video/6368998633112February 18, 2025, 10:02 AM
trapper189^^^You're in luck! You don't have to know how to embed it because it was posted and embedded in the first post on this page.

February 18, 2025, 10:11 AM
jhe888quote:
Originally posted by Fly-Sig:
That crosswind is well within the aircraft capabilities. The landing limitations have a lot of fat built in.
The 900 is a good landing aircraft. It isn't terribly squirrelly. It is also a strong airplane. Breaking off a wing or landing gear is extraordinary.
It rolled over after it hit.
One TV commenter said it looked like a hard landing without adequate flare, and perhaps the gear collapsed, initiating a roll. Luckily, it rolled mostly on one axis. Of course, this is a premature speculation, so we'll see.
The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything. February 18, 2025, 10:19 AM
1gkekquote:
Originally posted by kkina:
I'm seeing a hard touch-down, the right wing breaking off, and an immediate fireball. I imagine the lift from the remaining wing rolled it over upside down.
Maybe the right main gear failed? It did look pretty hard.
February 18, 2025, 11:26 AM
83v45magnaMicro downburst just as it was landing maybe?
February 18, 2025, 12:41 PM
YooperSigsMy two cents worth is the right main gear either failed completely or it went off the runway, causing the gear to collapse.
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February 18, 2025, 01:15 PM
kkinaquote:
Originally posted by 1gkek:
quote:
Originally posted by kkina:
I'm seeing a hard touch-down, the right wing breaking off, and an immediate fireball. I imagine the lift from the remaining wing rolled it over upside down.
Maybe the right main gear failed? It did look pretty hard.
Yes, I believe that's what happened.
If you watch the wheel alignment in the video Balze posted, they seem level up to about 3 seconds before touchdown where a pronounced roll initiates. I'm thinking windshear pushed the right main gear into the pavement, collapsing it, slamming the right wing into the ground where it detached completely.
Then lift from the remaining left wing rolled the fuselage upside down as it slid down the runway.
February 18, 2025, 02:50 PM
savoy6I read that, just before touchdown, the CRJ's descent rate was over 1000 fpm. In the video, it looked like the touchdown was very hard, which likely collapsed the right main gear. When an approach is unstable, as this one seemed to be, standard protocol is to go around rather than try to salvage an unstable approach. Airlines have these procedures for good reason, as there is an unacceptable risk that bad things can follow when pilots deviate.
February 18, 2025, 03:05 PM
kkinaVertical descent speed may very well have been a factor. But I'm still seeing a pronounced banking to the right about 3 seconds before impact. What caused that?
February 18, 2025, 03:32 PM
SigmundFrom Juan:
https://youtu.be/oOYiQG43v64February 18, 2025, 03:51 PM
P250UA5quote:
Originally posted by savoy6:
I read that, just before touchdown, the CRJ's descent rate was over 1000 fpm. In the video, it looked like the touchdown was very hard, which likely collapsed the right main gear. When an approach is unstable, as this one seemed to be, standard protocol is to go around rather than try to salvage an unstable approach. Airlines have these procedures for good reason, as there is an unacceptable risk that bad things can follow when pilots deviate.
CEO at work came in & this came up. He said he heard 1100 fpm descent rate. Initially it didn't look that steep from the in-car recorded video, but it seems to drop quicker once it crossed the threshold.
The Enemy's gate is down. February 18, 2025, 04:09 PM
trapper189Question for the pilots:
Could the aircraft that was holding at 23 block the wind from 270 such that it would have an effect on the landing CRJ900?
In Juan’s video posted above, it’s only the last data point that suddenly changes. The 2nd to last data point was 480’ per minute decent.
February 18, 2025, 04:38 PM
kkinaPic of the aircraft showing left wing still attached.