Dog friendly areas of a restaurant does not bother me.
In fact I like places that like dogs.

Let's see...Food prep people wearing hats and gloves.....servers wearing masks and hats....some mongrel coming in from the rain and shaking dry next to me at a table.....makes perfect sense. Welcome to 2022.

BS. No cognitive dissonance here. My CC pistol, my pocket knife, all the stuff in my pockets - they are inanimate objects. They are not capable of independent actions. They don't shit, piss, stink, drool, bark, lie in the aisle between tables, or lick their ass, while others are just trying to enjoy a meal - most, probably having no expectation that a dog was going to show up. It's amazing the effort people will go through to justify inconsiderate (or worse) behavior.

Service dogs are ok. It is their owners that are generally the problem.

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
Service dogs are ok. It is their owners that are generally the problem.

When the owners are a problem, you can be pretty sure they're not really service dogs, they're wearing counterfeit harnesses.

We were in the checkout line at the grocery store, and the woman in front of us had a small monkey in one of those front carrying child slings. Monkeys' ears were pierced as well.

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Originally posted by bubbaturbo:
BS. No cognitive dissonance here.

You need to check again.

Patriotic forum members practically foam at the mouths in other threads when they perceive "Leftists" trying to dictate/restrict someone's lawful behavior on private property.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

You don't get to dictate that someone can't do something that's both lawful and being done with the private property owner's permission, merely because you dislike it or it offends your delicate sensibilities.

America: Land of the Free* (*unless I'm personally offended by what you're doing, in which case nobody should be allowed to do it). It's clearly not just a "Leftist" concept.

Instead, the solution is simple: You don't like it, so you don't have to go there. The entirety of society isn't expected to conform to each and every person's individual preferences at all times. That's impossible.

But that's the beauty of the free market: Proprietors are able to carve out market niches for their businesses to cater to customers with specific likes/dislikes/desires, without having to cater to everyone all at once. Some people like Mexican food. Some people like Chinese. Some people don't mind dogs in restaurants. Some people do. But you don't get to go into a Mexican restaurant that allows dogs, bitch because there are dogs inside and they don't have Chinese food, and then demand that all the dogs leave and someone better bring you some Lo Mein right this instant. Their house, their rules; if you don't like it then take your business elsewhere.

Simply start patronizing the wide variety of restaurants that don't allow dogs. As mentioned before, that's 90+% of restaurants out there. You'll be much happier, as will those of us that choose to go to restaurants that do allow dogs and will no longer have to put up with your complaints.

Win-win, without involving any attempts to impose your personal preferences on others.

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Where is this happening? Every grocery store and restaurant here that I know of prohibits animals except legitimate service animals. At least the signs say so.

If the business allows pets inside, then it's their prerogative and it's up to the marketplace to vote on whether it's a good policy.

If a pet is well-behaved then I'm not going to be affected by it just as if a child was well-behaved. It's when they create a ruckus that's an issue.

I mostly see this with fat, purple haired, feminist looking women with their little purse dogs at the grocery store. I think it's weird a store wouldn't take steps to keep an animal out since they sell food and all but dogs are probably cleaner than their owners in these cases. I don't really give a shit unless the dog is acting out.
Restaurants in Colorado mostly seem to be very dog friendly (99% on patios only) and it's very normal to see pooches sitting next to the tables while their people dine. Most have water bowls and complimentary treats for them too. Being a dog guy I think it's really great to hang out with them and so far I haven't been anywhere that they've caused any problems.
If it bothered me I'd just eat an another place I suppose. Not an issue.

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:

Who is calling for bans or trying to restrict you from anything? Nobody is talking about demanding anything or confronting you or causing a scene.

I will join in with many other members here and say that I think it’s rude of people to take their dogs inside restaurants and I won’t continue to eat at an establishment that allows it. You are still free to continue doing it. I’m free to not like it.

Looks like Oklahoma doesn't allow dogs in the inside part of restaurants (with a few exceptions). Outside is allowed if there is a separate entrance and some other rules apply. Employee has to clean up any urine, vomit, or feces. Hope I don't see my waiter being the designated pee and poop handler.

My family and our dog have eaten at a couple of restaurants while on summer vacation, outside always, next to the river. But I would never bring a dog inside a restaurant because I'm not fond of that practice.

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Originally posted by Pale Horse:
Who is calling for bans or trying to restrict you from anything?
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I won’t continue to eat at an establishment that allows it.

And that's the right approach. You're altering your behavior to match your own personal preferences. Some would call that freedom.

Now compare to stuff like:

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Leave the little creatures at home like normal people.

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they do not belong in places of business other than a vet's office

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if dog shows up at the adjacent table and starts licking its ass, I'll probably complain to the management

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leave it at home when you go out to eat

Etc.

That's expecting/demanding that I alter my behavior to conform to your own personal preferences. Not because it's illegal. Or dangerous. Or against the rules. Purely because "I don't like it".

Which funnily enough is the same type of thing that gets lambasted in other discussion threads when, for example, someone out there insists that all society must refer to them with their preferred pronouns of Bing/Bong because "I don't like it when people refer to me as She/Her". Or when someone out there states that guns shouldn't be allowed in public because "I don't like it and it makes me uncomfortable".

So, you're a fan of a dog licking its ass in a restaurant? OK. Got it. I'm out.

Next up..."Dogs on Airplanes". Cue Samuel L. Jackson...

So I live in Alaska, probably one of the most dog friendly places ever. Practically everyone has a dog and a lot of people take them practically everywhere. Bandit, my German Shepherd/Karelian Bear Dog mix goes with me on most of my road trips around the state.

We do have a few rules one of them is I don't attempt to take him places where he is not welcome. We'll stay at hotels that allow pets, I'm open and honest and pay the deposit up front rather than trying to sneak him in. Stopping for gas he stays in the truck and doesn't come inside the convenience store with me. Eating at restaurants we'll sit out on the patio if allowed and try and sit in the corner or on the perimeter.

The only time we have ever had an issue was at Mountain High Pizza Pie in Talkeetna. Talkeetna is a funky little town and was the inspiration for Northern Exposure. Bandit has legendary status there. During Covid when Talkeetna was a ghost town that summer we were sitting out on their patio and I threw a pizza crust for him which he did a leaping spin in the air to catch. The band practicing on stage thought it was hilarious and started throwing additional pizza crusts and Milk Bones off the stage and he would spin and flip and catch them. He's also very unique looking with his stark black and white coloring so everyone there probably remembers the performance he put on.

Fast forward to this past summer when we were up there. Waiting in line to place our order when the tourist behind us absolutely flips out. "Why the hell are you in here with your dog? That's not right! You need to leave! Etc."

"Ma'am, this is Alaska, everyone has a dog, they go most places and half the time aren't even leashed. We'll be sitting outside on the patio along with the other dogs and their owners. If that offends you maybe you should remain inside."

"You need to leave that mongrel at home!"

At this point the manager walked out from behind the counter,

"Ma'am, we know the dog, he's welcome here anytime. We don't know you and from the way you're acting you're not welcome here."

"Well I'm leaving and I'm going to post about how terrible this establishment is!"

"Look around ma'am, do you really think any of these people in here are going to care about your opinion?"

She left, we laughed and Bandit got more than his fair share of pizza bones out on the patio.

I love my dog and he's a great roadtrip companion. I'll take him anywhere that is appropriate. Sitting with him out on the lawn at Palmer Alehouse for summer concerts is awesome. He's a regular at the archery shop and my archers in the Junior Olympic program refer to him as Coach Bandit. There's a couple of shops in town if I go in without him I'll get asked, "Where's Bandit?" All that said, I don't expect to take him inside with me to a restaurant and I don't take him inside places where it is posted of pets not being allowed.

Better the dog than the screeching little rug rats they spawned.

In Florida, and most other states, you don’t take dogs INSIDE restaurants. Any that advertise “dog friendly” have a separate area OUTSIDE, usually on a cement slab, where you could dine with your dog and other dog lovers. These are not high end restaurants. Burgers, pizza, tacos, and the like is the usual fare. And it’s all good.
There are over 100 breweries in the Tampa area, and the majority of them allow dogs, some even inside, if they don’t serve food. I have yet to visit any restaurant or brewery that had a problem dog.
You don’t have to sit or interact with any of the doggie patrons if you don’t want, so why all the tears?
Freakin’ Karens/Jacks are really starting to get on my nerves! And this jag-off Brandon ain’t helpin’!

In my house I've got a lab laying on my feet every time I eat a meal, hoping and praying I'll drop something.

I'm pretty used to it.