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Originally posted by pedropcola:
I doubt AI can swear like a sailor. lol

I wouldn't be too sure about that.

The prospective buyer whining when the world did not spin according to his whims is on him, not you.

I'm going to go against the grain here and say you're at fault here. I wouldn't have responded the way he did and make a big deal out of it but from what you described you lacked professionalism and a lot of it. You didn't deliver pictures when you said you would and there was no mention of you giving him updates and/or explanations of when he could expect them.


Regardless of how you and others here perceive your desire to sell this item, you were willing to sell it and entertained a prospective buyer. Having an official WTS is irrelevant. Someone approached you with great interest and you engaged. He even expressed that he was willing to pay a premium and wanted to see pictures (most likely to confirm condition). The very fact that you and others here think he was in the wrong to not make an offer without seeing pictures is BONKERS. I've bought my fair share of stuff on forums like this and I would never make a blind offer on something I haven't seen or without proof that you have possession of said item.


In the end you don't need to sell it so you DGAF. I'll say this much: if you were a salesman on my team I'd reprimand you. When a buyer is throwing himself at you, you have a duty to capitalize on their interest. Let's break down the play by play:


Before Easter weekend he requests pictures. You don't deliver and typed out excuses. You're in the wrong regardless.

Prospective buyer waits all day Monday (probably acknowledging the holiday) waiting to hear from you. He doesn't.

Tuesday comes along and he reaches out again. You promise to get it out of the safe and take pictures. You don't. You're in the wrong again.

Wednesday rolls around and you finally get around to it. At some point you realize you can't send pictures so you ask him how he wants to receive the photos. He gives you his phone number. There's absolutely no reason why you couldn't have sent pictures after he gave you his number. You claim that you were “getting it all together.” Does that mean the gun was taken out of the safe? I want to be clear because I don’t know what else “getting it all together” could possibly mean without the gun actually being removed from the safe. This is important because if the gun was out of the safe then pictures should have been taken. That would be the logical assumption, yes? And if the pictures were taken then they should have been ready to send. See where I’m going with this?

Once again, you broke your word and didn’t send the pictures. That’s 3 times in a 4 day span, one of which he gave you as a buffer because of the holiday. How would you feel if you were trying to get more info about an item and the seller continued to break his word and refuse to accommodate a simple request? Seriously. Pictures are the starting point of such a purchase and you refused to take 10 minutes over a multiday period to snap a few photos. That’s a major you problem. The buyer shouldn’t have to beg or chase you down for pictures.

So of course “when you’re finally ready” he loses his patience and gives you a piece of his mind. Honestly based on your pattern of behavior you wouldn’t have sent pictures on Thursday, or Friday, or the rest of the weekend because you don’t give a fuck. And that’s ok, but you asked so I’m telling: you’re the asshole here. If you take 5+ days to get a few photos over there’s no way in hell I’m sending thousands of dollars to a seller “who will get around to it when it suits them.” Either you’re a professional about it or you’re not. You weren’t. When he called you out on it you fired back with insults. Wow. Just wow.


The interesting thing that you and some others here clearly don’t realize is that a guy who tries that hard to get photos from you and claims he will pay a premium 100% would have. That’s fishing in a barrel with dynamite. Most gun guys I’ve dealt with are men of their word. If he offered to pay a premium he would have if the item was to his satisfaction. It's quite apparent that whatever you are selling isn't something that can be had by going to the local gun store or grabbing it on an auction site. IMO you missed out on an opportunity to sell an item above market value.

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Originally posted by tatortodd:
He was trying to snake a gun you offered to someone else, he asks for pictures via a communication protocol that doesn't allow pictures, and then has no patience.

I hope you told him to shove it up his ass sideways.

This deserves a separate reply. No one was "snaking" anything. Did you not read the OP post? Quite a bit of time had passed and clearly no one expressed interest until this guy came along.


Have you ever tried to get an item that isn't easy to find? You scour websites and forums until you stumble upon it. What was the prospective buyer supposed to do? Back off and not inquire about the item because tatortodd is going to accuse him of snaking it?


Then you go on to shit on him because he didn't design the forum to host/send pictures. That makes ZERO sense. What exactly do you propose? Write it out for all of us here because I don't see how the prospective buyer is supposed to source this item if he follows your guidelines. So lay it out of us: "the Tatortodd proper procedure to get an item that is clearly hard to get." I can't wait.


As for your last bit about patience you can reference my play by play above. The prospective buyer was more than patient. It takes 10 minutes to snap a few photos. OP didn't do it for at least 5+ days. That's inexcusable and if you say otherwise you're a liar. I've read enough bitches here when something isn't handled in an hour or a day. Five days for a few photos is 100% on the OP, not the buyer here.


As for your closing comment that's a great attitude to have when a guy is just trying to get something that is hard to get. Ironically I'd bet if you were the prospective buyer in this situation you'd use the same language towards the seller for not accommodating a simple request to send pictures.

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Originally posted by Hildur:
Did you not read the OP post? Quite a bit of time had passed and clearly no one expressed interest until this guy came along.

Yes, did you? The OP didn't state quite a bit of time had passed. He stated he had forgot about it. You have made an assumption on length of time it takes for the OP to forget about a response to someone else's post. If this thread is any indicator, it looks like it takes less than 72 hours for the OP to forget.

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Have you ever tried to get an item that isn't easy to find? You scour websites and forums until you stumble upon it. What was the prospective buyer supposed to do? Back off and not inquire about the item because tatortodd is going to accuse him of snaking it?

The way forums are these days with scammers (especially 3rd parties interjecting themselves into something not offered to them), if I found something I had spent a long time looking for I would've made sure I was NOT setting off scammer alarm bells:

well-written inquiry as many scammers are ESL so their communications read like it written by Google translate

showed that I put some thought into my inquiry and provided phone number or e-mail address for the OP to send pictures to me

be polite

be patient as it was a holiday weekend. Also, scammers tend to get impatient as they want a return for time "invested."

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Then you go on to shit on him because he didn't design the forum to host/send pictures. That makes ZERO sense. What exactly do you propose?

You're really off in left field on this one. It's really simple. When you contact someone on a medium that doesn't allow pics you include your e-mail address or phone number to send pics. The guy contacted the OP twice about sending pics and neither time did that.

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As for your last bit about patience you can reference my play by play above. The prospective buyer was more than patient. It takes 10 minutes to snap a few photos. OP didn't do it for at least 5+ days. That's inexcusable and if you say otherwise you're a liar. I've read enough bitches here when something isn't handled in an hour or a day. Five days for a few photos is 100% on the OP, not the buyer here.

First of all, the OP didn't make a want to sell ad on a forum. The OP merely replied to someone else he had what he was looking for.

Second of all, I agree that it does only take 10 minutes to snap photos. However, the more salient point is that taking the pictures would do zero good for 5 days because the Mr. Impatience didn't use his noggin' and provide a way to send photos. From the time the OP had a way to send photos until Mr Impatience popped off was 1 day.

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As for your closing comment that's a great attitude to have when a guy is just trying to get something that is hard to get. Ironically I'd bet if you were the prospective buyer in this situation you'd use the same language towards the seller for not accommodating a simple request to send pictures.

Speaking of attitude, what about yours in your 2 lengthy half-baked diatribes full of spurious assumptions? Your biggest assumption is that the OP missed out on an opportunity. Myself and most respondents are making the opposite assumption (i.e. the Op avoided a giant headache).

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Originally posted by Hildur:
... I'll say this much: if you were a salesman on my team I'd reprimand you. When a buyer is throwing himself at you, you have a duty to capitalize on their interest. ...

I disagree with you. A salesman in a business is not the same as a private party, and pedropcola had no duty or obligation to do anything.

Between your earlier post and the fact that you are trying to split hairs now says everything about you. If OP forgot about it and the original inquirer never responded that implies time has passed. I can't wait to read the rest of your post seeing as how you're already being intentionally obtuse. The bottom line is that you're accusing someone of snaking an item when that clearly isn't the case. Take your whippings like a man.


Your second point is completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

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When you contact someone on a medium that doesn't allow pics you include your e-mail address or phone number to send pics. The guy contacted the OP twice about sending pics and neither time did that.

So many assumptions and conveniently you put all the responsibility on the buyer because you're hyper focused on trying to justify your egotistical responses. It's this simple: the buyer wanted pictures. The seller never sent them. The buyer asked again after waiting a few days. The seller never sent them. The buyer asked again. THEN "after getting things together" the seller realizes he can't send pictures on the platform (but did he take pictures? I'm thinking not). That means BOTH parties didn't know that platform didn't allow for photos to be sent so easy on dishing out the blame solely to the buyer. Next, the buyer IMMEDIATELY gives him his cell number. The seller STILL DOESN'T SEND THE PICTURES (which completely negates your point about the buyer "should have provided an email or phone number"). If the OP had his phone number / email before Easter he still wouldn't have sent the pictures because as soon as he got that info he STILL didn't send them.

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First of all, the OP didn't make a want to sell ad on a forum. The OP merely replied to someone else he had what he was looking for.

So what. You never heard of the phrase "treat others the way you want to be treated?" What the OP did to the buyer was straight up disrespectful. If you don't see that then you're just as rude as he is.

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Second of all, I agree that it does only take 10 minutes to snap photos.

Then stop right there. Photos should have been sent before Easter. Or on Sunday night. Or anytime on Monday. Or when the buyer asked on Tuesday. Or on Wednesday when the OP asked for his contact info. Or on Thursday "before he checked the forum messages." If you want my theory the OP never took pictures because there's no logical explanation as to why they weren't sent immediately when the contact info was given.

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However, the more salient point is that taking the pictures would do zero good for 5 days because the Mr. Impatience didn't use his noggin' and provide a way to send photos.

Your perspective is so backwards I can't believe I need to explain it to you. So. Fucking. What. If the buyer didn't know he needed to give his contact info to get pictures. It. Didn't. Fucking. Matter. Because when the OP got his contact info HE STILL DIDN'T SEND THEM.

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From the time the OP had a way to send photos until Mr Impatience popped off was 1 day.

No, the buyer waited 5+ days for photos and never got them. If the OP actually held up his promises they would have discovered immediately that contact info needed to be exchanged. GTFO with this "Mr. Impatient" 1 day bullshit. Buyer gave them OP multiple opportunities to send the photos or at the very least attempt. OP never did.

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Your biggest assumption is that the OP missed out on an opportunity. Myself and most respondents are making the opposite assumption (i.e. the Op avoided a giant headache).

That's because you don't know shit about sales. As someone who did it at a high level for 20+ years I know a motivated buyer when I see one. I'll tell you something else: OP could have salvaged the relationship and completed the sale but he would rather get in a pissing contest with the buyer he wronged. If he put himself in the buyers position and understood why he was so frustrated he would have probably apologized and rightfully so.



Whatever. OP gets to keep an item that is hard to find and the buyer will just have to find what he's looking for elsewhere. It's not the end of the world but the OP came here because deep down inside knows to some degree he was wrong. Well here I am to give him what he's looking for and you're not doing him or anyone any favors with your wild ass expectations of how a transaction should go. The first rule of sales is to develop trust and rapport. Without it the buyer won't buy from you. The OP didn't do either with his broken promises. Again, if you were the buyer in this situation you wouldn't trust the seller so I don't want to hear your half assed excuses. The OP made a promise. He broke it. End of story.

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Originally posted by CoolRich59:

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Originally posted by Hildur:
... I'll say this much: if you were a salesman on my team I'd reprimand you. When a buyer is throwing himself at you, you have a duty to capitalize on their interest. ...

I disagree with you. A salesman in a business is not the same as a private party, and pedropcola had no duty or obligation to do anything.

"Treat others the way you want to be treated." OP might not be in business but does a man's word apply only to business or his personal life as well? If the OP didn't want to sell the item he should have told the buyer to go elsewhere. Instead he made promises then broke them. That has nothing to do with being in business or not.

You had his phone number. Phones work for actual phone calls too.

You could have talked on the phone, fix any misunderstanding, and go from there. Instead you reacted to an email.

Once I read his PM I didn't want to do business anyway. I didn't like his tone. He cold called me, it wasn't like I was dying to do this deal.

Funny thing is the original guy who I posted on his wtb thread (PM actually) reached out. I am taking new pics (yes Hildur I actually did have photos) because he is interested in just the one hang tag wearing gun, not the other 2.

Here is a photo I took today, because again, who doesn't love photos? Plus, since imgBB crapped out on me I am figuring out how to use Flickr.


IMG_2098 by Pedro pcola, on Flickr

This message has been edited. Last edited by: pedropcola,

I read the OP a couple of times after seeing some of the responses here.

Do you really think that your behavior is acceptable ~ regardless of how the other guy responded?

Coming from a guy who is a part of the team here that monitors the Classified Ads here, I would suggest you should have been more attentive to your ad and not engaged in negative rhetoric despite the other guy getting a bit miffed from your lack of responses.
I don't condone his responses but understand his view of a lack of timely responses.

At least you did it on another forum, not here.

Perhaps in the future, just pay attention and respond quicker and in a more cordial way.
Just a suggestion, take the high road and be more responsible.

Shit dude, did you even read my OP? I never had an ad, no ad to be attentive to. Are you really on that team here because your reading comprehension sucks. How many times did you read the OP to get the facts wrong? lol

Since we are giving out moronic advice smschultz, here's one for you. RTFQ.

I posted to one guys WTB thread and he never responded. Later some other guy cold called (PM) me and asked about the gun in question. Attentive? Attentive to what? If you cold call someone and they aren't Johnny on the Spot enough for you then don't make a deal.

Bottom line, I am asking opinions so you are free to have one, but for goodness sake at least try to get the details aligned.

Like I posted above the odd thing is after all this the original guy responded, hence the picture above.

If I post an ad, I will monitor it as per the policy here and just decent manners. That being said, if you reach out to me via a cold call, if I'm not fast enough or anything enough, well tough crap.

Look, pedropcola, regardless of actually posting an original ad or not ~ you think bad behavior is acceptable?

You seem to want to justify being rude (assuming another forum member) is just fine.

Why not just be nice, unlike your recent thread?
Wouldn't we all just be better off?

Dude, you literally said you read the OP a few times and then you get it all fucking ass backwards and now you want me to backpedal?

How about this master of all things civil, maybe you should have just posted, "oh my bad, I read it wrong". Too much for you?

I think we would all be better off if people actually read the thread in question instead of making shit up that never happened, posting about that, getting told they read it wrong, and deciding that doubling down was the correct course instead of acknowledging that you made a mistake. Too simple to do that I guess. Easier to just get high and mighty instead of admitting you read it wrong. Hm.

I guess in all your reading you missed this as well. In the OP. Its own paragraph. "Now my responses after that were childish and mean spirited. Those are 100% on me and I shouldn’t have done those. That isn’t the question here though." Reading skills matter.

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Originally posted by pedropcola:


I guess in all your reading you missed this as well. In the OP. Its own paragraph. "Now my responses after that were childish and mean spirited. Those are 100% on me and I shouldn’t have done those. That isn’t the question here though."

That was my whole point.



Dwelling on whether you actually posted and ad or not is not what I was talking about, and acknowledge again you did not.

You seem to be instigating an argument here and all I was doing was suggesting to be cordial.

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Am I the jerk here?

So if this THE question >>> the answer is YES.

I guess my next question then is can smschulz actually read a post and understand it? The answer is NO. Can he get it wrong but is too prideful to just back down? Also NO.

See, I can play dumb games too.

I posted my situation including acknowledging my poor behavior. You come on this thread and get the facts wrong and preach to me how I should have done it because as a member of the forum classified monitoring team you have gravitas. Except you read it wrong, it was pointed out, and yet you can't just say OOPS. My bad, read it wrong. You just keep sermonizing to me. Whatever dude.

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Originally posted by pedropcola:
I guess my next question then is can smschulz actually read a post and understand it?
The answer is NO. Can he get it wrong but is too prideful to just back down? Also NO.

Please stop with the negative rhetoric.

I understand what you wrote, I just don't agree with your behavior, there or here.

So just to be clear, you can post negative rhetoric on this thread but I can't. Do I have that correct? Is that a special privilege of being a classified forum monitoring team member?

See the real problem is that you don't understand what I wrote. You say you read it multiple times yet you missed a pretty big part of the story. Remember when we were in school and the teacher had you read a paragraph and then list the salient points? Well you kind of missed the salient points in all your preaching. You also missed that I acknowledged I should have taken the high road. Funny thing is you don't even know what I said to trigger that. I just told you it was childish and you had to take my word for it.

You on the other hand completely make a soup sandwich out of my post and then when it is pointed out, you still won't back down. My response that you didn't like was a direct response to you completely misrepresenting events. I will always come back at someone for that. You said I did something I didn't do. Setting the story straight is what I believe it is called. You didn't like that. Tough. Read better next time before posting.

Here is my last response to you on this thread. Probably. I hope when you are doing your forum job that you actually read what is written better than you did here before responding.

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Originally posted by pedropcola:
So just to be clear, you can post negative rhetoric on this thread but I can't.
Do I have that correct?

No, you do not.
I have not insulted you and you have constantly insulted me.
I have refrained from such conduct.

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See the real problem is that you don't understand what I wrote.

I understand it and made corrections in numerous posts.


No the real problem is you do not like my opinion and respond with insults.

Again, all I was trying to do was promote peace, not instigate as you were.

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I understand it and made corrections in numerous posts.

That would mean a hell of a lot more if you actually did what you are claiming you have done. Which you have not.

Your first post still says exactly what it said when I called you out for not being able to RTFQ. But, but, but, you made corrections. Sure you did.

As for promoting peace. Nobody was arguing with anybody till you got here and didn't read my thread yet posted anyway. Let's see. Didn't read the OP. Check. Got an opinion anyway. Check. Called out for not reading thread, go on offensive. Check. Checklist complete.