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Is there a round that would be good for home defense and deer?


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Anybody have any info on this load?

https://atlantaarms.com/produc...5-56mm-65gr-sbt.html


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Is there a round that would be good for home defense and deer?


Federal Fusion or Speer Gold Dot. Either one works well on 2 or 4 legged targets.
 
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Mr Bellum, I was under the impression that you were using 5.56SP. I thought I recalled it from a post of yours several years ago.
 
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The Marines elected to go with the MK318 an open tipped 62 grain projectile with a velocity of 2900+ velocity.

You might want to check this. At least in the Marine's current 2021 ammo budget request to Congress, Mk318 is not listed.

The only combat 5.56mm ammunition in the request is A059/M855 Clipped, 91 million rounds and AB57/M855A1, 10 million rounds.


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The Marines elected to go with the MK318 an open tipped 62 grain projectile with a velocity of 2900+ velocity.

You might want to check this. At least in the Marine's current 2021 ammo budget request to Congress, Mk318 is not listed.

The only combat 5.56mm ammunition in the request is A059/M855 Clipped, 91 million rounds and AB57/M855A1, 10 million rounds.


That comment was from 2017. USMC changed rounds in 2018.
 
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Is there a round that would be good for home defense and deer?


If I were seeking one* load for different purposes like hunting and home defense, I would simply find what I like for the hunting purpose and rely on it entirely.

For the vast majority of us, the very unlikely need for a home defense weapon would be against an invader of some sort. And unless he/they have been paid a large sum of money to eliminate someone in a witness protection program or the like†, or believe looting our safe is going to buy them a home on the Riviera, what is the likelihood that they will press an attack in the face of fire from any gun, much less a rifle? There are many online videos of home invaders who are evidently intent on obtaining money and/or drugs and who turn and flee as fast as possible when being shot at, and not necessarily even being hit.

† (And if they are smart, they would do that outside someone’s home—as should have been done at Waco and elsewhere.)

Yes, there are bullets whose wound ballistics performance against human targets is much better than others, but that matters in military combat, including engaging targets at ranges that are far, far longer than distances inside any building, or for the very rare police engagements against criminals like active killers or others who are determined to fight to the end and not be taken alive. Both military and police must also consider the need for barrier penetration when engaging those same targets.

The one specific factor I can imagine a home defender being concerned about that would affect the decision to chose a particular bullet would be how it would perforate building materials and continue to parts unknown after a miss or even after passing through the target. If that were a consideration, then I might deliberately chose a lightweight varmint-type bullet. Some critics might object to such a choice because they would point out that it might not penetrate a human target deeply enough to hit all vital structures, but see my second paragraph above for my opinion about that issue.

If I ever get called back to assist in a law enforcement operation, my AR will be loaded with Speer Gold Dot bullets because of their demonstrated effectiveness through barriers like auto glass. My magazines that are positioned for home defense, though, are loaded with Hornady 75 grain open tip bullets that tumble and fragment readily because I believe they would be a bit better for ending an attack with a single hit.

* And finally, why only one? Is there any reason why we can’t have a magazine filled with one type of load for defensive purposes and others loaded for hunting?




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Anyone put a 318M1 through an animal? I’m temped to just load up on bonded “FBI load.”
 
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* And finally, why only one? Is there any reason why we can’t have a magazine filled with one type of load for defensive purposes and others loaded for hunting?


Thank you. To answer your question, I would like to find one good load for deer, target, home defense (without going through a bunch of walls and hitting my children or neighbors)...etc., and buy a metric ton of it so I don’t have to worry about the next shortage. I bought 1000 rounds of the Atlanta arms ammo I linked above. Apparently it was developed for several 3 letter agencies and has performed wonderfully. I’m concerned that it may be too barrier blind for me though.


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