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Nullus Anxietas
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Originally posted by sns3guppy:
I shoot .40, and have quite a few firearms in .40. I suppose that could be called "investing."

I'm not in the least defensive about it, without any need to defend or explain it.

This ^^^^^, though I'm down to one firearm in .40 S&W since I traded my G22--which I did because I just plain did not like it and could not shoot well with it.

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Originally posted by USAFA71:
For those who think the 40 S+W recoil is so much more vicious than the 9 mm, I challenge you to the following: ...

My favourite challenge: Those of you who think the .40 S&W recoil is so overwhelming: Try full-house .357 Mag loads out of a 4" service revolver for a while. .40 S&W out of a similarly-sized bottom-feeder will seem tame, by comparison Wink

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Originally posted by Tree Rat:
I am highly amused that every discussion into justifying the new found merits of 9mm is always a precursor to bashing 40 S&W.

Indeed.

Do I feel under-gunned wearing a 9mm? No. Do I think I'm gonna stop tanks with my .40 S&W? No. Do I believe that, all things being equal, the .40 S&W might have an advantage over 9mm? Yes. So when carrying my .40 S&W makes sense, I'll carry my .40 S&W.

Same position vis-a-vis my P239 SAS vs. my Defender in .45 ACP.

I initially chose the .40 S&W because, at the time, it seemed the closest thing in performance to the .357 Mag commonly in-use and available.

All that being said: I am idly entertaining the thought of getting a 357 Sig barrel for my P239 SAS and, when I send the pistol in to Robert Burke for an action job, having the barrel custom fitted. Not because I dislike the .40 S&W or because I believe in the superiority of the 357 Sig, but to reduce my ammo variation by one caliber.




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Yes - my SP101 .357mag kicks a hell of a lot more than the 239SAS in .40 (using self defense loads in both). But they both shoot well, so I use them both as needed.

I personally haven't shot a pistol that kicks as much as that .357 mag short barrel with full defense loads...


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I think the .40 is an excellent round. I have more than 1 pistol in .40S&W, not counting my issued Glock 22. Although the 9mm will provide a couple more rounds, I feel most confident in the .40S&W.

When hiking, I carry the .40 because I believe the 9mm will only aggravate a bear unless the shot is perfect. Have I seen a bear hiking? yup, multiple times! My 13 shots of .40 vs 15 9mm is not important. I feel the 13 shots will kill the bear or keep it moving in a different direction.

I practice with many calibers and feel most confident with the .40!
 
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Nullus Anxietas
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I got news for you: The .40 S&W will likely only aggravate the bear, too. Only a little more than the 9mm Wink




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YEs, but will aggravate the bear a bit harsher. maybe cause it to rethink it's strategy. (that's my argument) LOL
 
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I've long said .40 was an answer for a question nobody asked. I also said it was a fad that would eventually pass. Law enforcement took it up and the herd mentality ensued. Law enforcement began to move away from it - and here we are.

There were no notable advantages over commonly available calibers. Especially versus cost early on. That's turned upside down now with the waning of interest. For those into the caliber - it is a great tide.

No, I don't care to be shot by one (hoping to head off the agitprop that will posit that pearl of inquisition). Oh, wait, I just noticed that he has already been in here.

I've never owned one. Was carrying a 4" .357 Magnum every day, so the .40 was not even a contender, along with 9mm and .45 ACP. Shot some .40's - meh. Nothing there for me.

10mm with standard loading is nice. .357 Sig is what I consider ideal. But cost and availability for factory ammunition are a deterrent for most. I'm in that group.

Eventually, I got rid of all handgun calibers (45 Colt, 44 Mag, 41 Mag, .357 Mag, .38 Special, .380.....) except 9mm and .45 ACP. Cost, logistics and availability drive it for me. I practice as much as want, whenever I want. Both calibers can be reloaded for half the cost of factory ammunition.

.40 faded in popularity because the bandwagon had a great band early on. Motley Crue in the day. But it largely disbanded. Today it's more like an organ grinder monkey.

It will be around for awhile. But it's heyday has passed.
 
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I've long said .40 was an answer for a question nobody asked. I also said it was a fad that would eventually pass. Law enforcement took it up and the herd mentality ensued. Law enforcement began to move away from it - and here we are.

There were no notable advantages over commonly available calibers. Especially versus cost early on. That's turned upside down now with the waning of interest. For those into the caliber - it is a great tide.

.40 faded in popularity because the bandwagon had a great band early on. Motley Crue in the day. But it largely disbanded. Today it's more like an organ grinder monkey.

It will be around for awhile. But it's heyday has passed.

Jager - I'm surprised you didn't mention the .45 GAP. It's another "answer for a question nobody asked."


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I am a .40 sorta guy. I got into firearms (as others have shared) when it came out after the Miami shooting.

It was my first love. Actually, it was 10mm. Oddly, I have never owned a 10mm. But .40 was easy to get, learned on it, load it, shoot it, compete with it. love it.

I carry a G43 in 9mm Smile But I have a G23 in my go bag, and another that defends my home. And something like 30+ G22 mags.

But when folk ask me "If I can just buy one gun" I always reply, "Glock 19"



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My first firearm was a Beretta 96 I got in late 1992. So it was riding the big wave. I shot it very well, but I first learned to shoot from a future FBI firearms instructor, so I had no bad habits and an expert mentor...

I got married in 1997 and kids soon followed. I pretty much did not shoot again until I got back into it in 2011 (and when I joined SIGforum).

I no longer enjoyed shooting 40. I got a Sig 229 in 40 that shot very low, and I did not enjoy it. Sold-off both and got into 9mm (I have 3) and a Dan Wesson in 45. I highly doubt I'll ever get back into 40. But for fans of 40, it must be good times.
 
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Jager - I'm surprised you didn't mention the .45 GAP. It's another "answer for a question nobody asked."


When .45 GAP popped up - it was an instant "Uh, no" from me. I've never met anyone that owned one, haven't ever seen one and doubt I ever will.

.40 is a decent caliber. Load one up with some 165 grain JHPs and I'd carry it. I just never saw the necessity from the perspective of carrying a .357 Magnum loaded with 125 grain JHP's at 1450 fps or so. When officers carried those, they were recording something around 92% one shot stops, many with semi-wadcutter loads. I don't think that percentage has ever been surpassed by any commonly issued caliber (.38 Special, 9mm, .45 ACP, .40 or even .357 Sig), however, I'm sure .357 Sig has some respectable percentages. Again, I think it is the ideal caliber - all things considered.

If I have to shoot a .40, it will be a 10mm. Wink
 
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Is it out of favor? One failed shoot as in '86

Once that happens will 40 return?

90's at the range with 40 cal requests......this is CA, so a lot of shooters. AWB ban. Old gals were rocking .40 as primary no worries.

fact is its doable, fast, and lethal. You like it, keep it. the worm will turn and .40 will be vogue again.


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Jager - I'm surprised you didn't mention the .45 GAP. It's another "answer for a question nobody asked."


When .45 GAP popped up - it was an instant "Uh, no" from me. I've never met anyone that owned one, haven't ever seen one and doubt I ever will.

.40 is a decent caliber. Load one up with some 165 grain JHPs and I'd carry it. I just never saw the necessity from the perspective of carrying a .357 Magnum loaded with 125 grain JHP's at 1450 fps or so. When officers carried those, they were recording something around 92% one shot stops, many with semi-wadcutter loads. I don't think that percentage has ever been surpassed by any commonly issued caliber (.38 Special, 9mm, .45 ACP, .40 or even .357 Sig), however, I'm sure .357 Sig has some respectable percentages. Again, I think it is the ideal caliber - all things considered.

If I have to shoot a .40, it will be a 10mm. Wink


While .357 magnum is a great round, I believe the percentage of 1 stop shots with it were so high because of it's capacity and training. During that era, a higher percentage of police officers went to the range often, and the shots they took were better aimed due to the capacity (6) and time it took to reload. Compared to officers carrying guns with 15-20 round magazines and taking more, less aimed shots.

As for 9mm, I'd feel comfortable using it for personal defense (as well as .40,.45,10mm, .357 mag or sig) in most any situation involving Humans. I think .40 is very slightly better on larger animals than 9mm, due to bullet weight, velocity, and it's a little flatter shooting, but then you lose around 15-20% in magazine capacity, so it is a trade off.
 
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We still use it on our dept. I don’t think we will be getting rid of it soon.

A couple months ago an officer on my crew was shot by a suspect. Suspect used a six inch 357 Mag revolver. Officer took a round through his upper Right leg about an inch under the skin from the outside of his leg out through the inside. He took another round through the right side of his stomach clipping a small organ and out his left side.

Officer returned fire with 3 maybe 4 rounds. Suspect made it about 20 feet before going down. One 180 grain Gold Dot got him in the femoral artery.
 
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I have multiple caliber options available to me. I like my 9mm in the summer in polymer, and 40 in winter. I'm in a ban state now, and know people who prefer bigger bullets when they can only carry 10.

And if shtf, I like the big flat point on a 40 over round 9mm when only FMJ is available.




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