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I love the 9 but I think a good 40 cal HST 165 or 180 gr or maybe Gold Dot will take the wind out of the 285 pound gang banger ,no neck guy faster . But I know placement is what counts .
 
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While older 9mm rounds wouldn't be my first choice, I would consider ones with good track records, like the Federal 115gr 9BPLE +P+, acceptable if I couldn't get HST or Gold Dot.

My memory isn't too good on this but were the 2 authors in the study years ago that lauded the 9BPLE (among others such as .357 125-gr JHP) for street performance later discredited based on their controversial methodologies?
 
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While older 9mm rounds wouldn't be my first choice, I would consider ones with good track records, like the Federal 115gr 9BPLE +P+, acceptable if I couldn't get HST or Gold Dot.

My memory isn't too good on this but were the 2 authors in the study years ago that lauded the 9BPLE (among others such as .357 125-gr JHP) for street performance later discredited based on their controversial methodologies?


They certainly have their critics, but I was going on general reputation and not the Marshall-Sanow studies. Quantifying "stopping power" (there really needs to be another term for that) is tricky, at best, so I prefer to go by general reputation instead, i.e., "XYZ Police Department is satisfied with the performance of ABC JHP ammo in officer-involved shootings." That's the main reason I prefer 147gr HST, even though I think 9BPLE would be adequate for personal defense use and would have no problem carrying if my preferred load was unavailable.



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180 GR .40's are pretty good on bowling pins


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I believe it has to do with a few things, but mainly the fact that there are an abundance of polymer firearms that are light.

Concealed carry has brought a huge amount of small firearms into play.

Reality at end of day, a light small gun is no fun to shoot with a .40...

.40, also costs more than 9mm, and is more difficult to find during a rush.

Have there been advances, I imagine, but really, I think comfort and cost is most likely reason.


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Originally posted by henryarnaud:
While older 9mm rounds wouldn't be my first choice, I would consider ones with good track records, like the Federal 115gr 9BPLE +P+, acceptable if I couldn't get HST or Gold Dot.

My memory isn't too good on this but were the 2 authors in the study years ago that lauded the 9BPLE (among others such as .357 125-gr JHP) for street performance later discredited based on their controversial methodologies?

At least once Agency came forth and said that they did not officially release information to Marshall and Sanow.

Thanks for reminding me about them, I've been meaning grab a copy of the book and see what they had to say. Most of what I read of them came out of the gun rags.
 
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