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http://www.baltimoresun.com/ne...-20150902-story.html

A judge on Wednesday ordered that six Baltimore Police officers charged in the arrest and death of Freddie Gray be tried separately.

This was the request of the defense attorneys.

Defense attorneys cited alleged conflicts of interest that they said required Mosby's office to be recused from the case. On that motion, Judge Williams said the defense "didn't come close" to justifying a removal of the prosecutors' office.

Williams, who at times cut off both the defense attorneys and prosecutors arguing their points, raised questions about statements made by Mosby made, including when she answered a reporter's question about whether the police officers had cooperated with the investigation.

"It's inappropriate, and you know it," Williams said to Prosecutor Schatzow about that exchange.


But in his ruling, Williams said it was not within his authority to decide whether Mosby had broken the Maryland Lawyer's Rules of Professional Conduct, which guide attorney behavior. That was for the Attorney Grievance commission to decide, he said.

The judge also said defense claims of conflicts of interests by Mosby and other prosecutors "didn't come close" to meriting their removal from the case.

Williams called the alleged conflict based on Mosby's husband, Nick Mosby, serving as a City Councilman in the district where Gray was arrested "troubling and condescending."

At the conclusion of his remarks, Williams told attorneys to stop seeking media sound bites and making unsupported claims.

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6 separate trials. Will make a real circus into an even bigger circus.

It is vital to get these trials out of Baltimore. The deck is stacked.
 
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How's the judge? Unbiased? Or should the judge also be recused from this case?




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6 trials! There won't be a CVS left in Delaware by the time that's done.




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When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson

"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown
 
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How's the judge?
Isn't it obvious that the judge is scared shitless?

What would be the fate of any judge who prevented these horrible, murderous police officers from facing "justice"? Unless the judge wants to move to another planet, there was only one possible outcome. Now, it's someone else's problem, right?
 
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questions for the forum lawyers:

do you think they will do the 6 trials one at a time in some sequence ?

If so, would you prefer as a defense attorney to be the first trial or the last ?

Is it a given that there would be 6 different juries ? (that would seem to be a requirement)
 
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I'm still waiting to see the evidence they have that warrants the charges.


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He's down for the struggle. Trial attorney in the civil rights division of the U.S. Department of Justice, 1997-2002. Special litigation counsel for the civil rights division of the U.S. Justice Department, 2002-2005.



http://www.baltimoresun.com/ne...-20150901-story.html

Who is the judge in the Freddie Gray hearing?

Barry Glenn Williams has been an Associate Judge with the Baltimore City Circuit Court since December 2005. On Wednesday, he'll become a bit more of a household name.

Judge Williams will preside over Wednesday's hearings in the Freddie Gray case. He's anticipated to hear motions to dismiss the case for prosecutorial misconduct, recuse Baltimore State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby and other prosecutors, and determine whether six Baltimore police officers charged in Gray's death will be tried together or individually.

Next week, the hearings will include a motion to move the officers' trials out of Baltimore. That takes place on Sept. 10.

Here's more about the judge presiding over the hearings this week:

Barry Glenn Williams

Age: 53

Title: Associate judge, Baltimore City Circuit Court, since December 2005

Career highlights: Led court's criminal division from 2012 until January. Chaired Criminal Justice Coordinating Council for Baltimore, 2012-2014. Special litigation counsel for the civil rights division of the U.S. Justice Department, 2002-2005. Trial attorney in the civil rights division of the U.S. Department of Justice, 1997-2002. Assistant state's attorney in Baltimore, 1989-1997

Education: Bachelor's degree in history from the University of Virginia, law degree from the University of Maryland School of Law



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questions for the forum lawyers:

do you think they will do the 6 trials one at a time in some sequence ?


Yes that is what it sounds like.

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If so, would you prefer as a defense attorney to be the first trial or the last ?


You probably won't have much say. The prosecutor will likely get whatever sequence they prefer. If not, take my client last. If the first couple are not guilty, they might not even bother with you. You would also have witnesses giving sworn testimony 5 times before, a fertile ground for cross examination.

OTOH, I always looked at trials as being like putting on a play. The actors would have 5 times to perfect their lines and demeanor, props, etc.

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Is it a given that there would be 6 different juries ? (that would seem to be a requirement)


It would be in Whackyland, and I assume everywhere else. I don't know the rules in Maryland.




Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.

When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson

"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown
 
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Baltimore mayor just announced she is not going to run for re-election.

Burn it down and leave - typical democrat.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/ne...-20150911-story.html

Baltimore Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake says she won't seek re-election



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I wonder what she is up to ?

Rawlings-Blake is secretary of the Democratic National Committee. Hard to believe she is walking away from politics.

The city cost to do the 6 trials is very roughly estimated at $ 4 million.

So with the pay off to the Gray family, the city will be spending about $ 10 million.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/ne...-20150910-story.html

All because a drug dealer with drugs in his system stood up and hit his head in a police wagon.

The 6.4 million pay out was split as:

5.36 million to Gloria Darden (mother)

640k to Freddie Gray Sr

400k to Freddie Gray estate
 
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I wonder what she is up to ?
Why give short-sighted fools like this credit for being able to think ahead of the game?

I'll tell what she's up to: She's up to looking at herself in the mirror every morning and saying "I fucked up my career and everyone knows it."

That's what she's up to. She's up to knocking herself out of her cushy job.


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"I'm not worried about protests, because when Baltimore people show up to protest, they do it in a way that allows people to focus on the message," Rawlings-Blake said


No one, and I mean no one, can be this fucking stupid. Is that shit out of a comedy script or something? Eek


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No one, and I mean no one, can be this fucking stupid. Is that shit out of a comedy script or something? Eek
But they can be that dishonest, and that's what you're seeing- a gigantic steaming pile of horse shit.

Otherwise known as a plain old lie.


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The settlement agreement for the 6.4 million had this language in it:



Seemed odd that the city signed a document where they said "any such liability or guilt being expressly and unequivocally denied ",

while they were charging and prosecuting the officers.
 
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I wonder what she is up to ?...


On the surface things seem to be between bizarre and ludicrous. I would bet underneath the surface things are quite a bit uglier.

Curious, and don't know if anyone has mentioned this, with six separate trials, I wonder if the guilty/innocent verdicts might align by ethnicity.




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I wish i could believe that these cops had a shot at a fair trial but it just isn't going to happen. They are to be rail roaded by a corrupt prosecutor and a system that will find these officers guilty because every one in the system is afraid of mob mentality. Sorry to these officers whose only offense is not seat belting freddie in the back of the van.
 
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Indeed. This really does seem like a true case of being rail roaded.

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Curious, and don't know if anyone has mentioned this, with six separate trials, I wonder if the guilty/innocent verdicts might align by ethnicity.


Wouldn't surprise me in the least to see that happen.


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There are lots of real bad signs here.

I did believe the judge would see the totally obvious need to move the trials out of Baltimore.

Especially when the city made a 6.4 million award the day before the hearing (please, no lectures that the award did not admit guilt)

I wonder what happens if a witness in trial 1 gives testimony, and the officer in trial 1 is convicted. Then the same witness gives different testimony in trial 6.

Does that give the officer in trial 1 justification for a retrial ?

And if convictions happen say in trial 1 and 2, doesn't that prejudice the juries in the later trials?

What if in trial 1 the officer gets off. And then there are riots. Are jurors in the later cases worried about triggering more riots ?

Remember the mentality at work here. People wanted Darren Wilson convicted whether he was innocent or guilty, just because of "history". One of the witnesses against Wilson finally confessed he hadn't seen anything, but he originally testified that he saw Wilson shoot Brown in the back because that is what normally happens.
 
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Indeed. This really does seem like a true case of being rail roaded.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Scoutmaster:

Curious, and don't know if anyone has mentioned this, with six separate trials, I wonder if the guilty/innocent verdicts might align by ethnicity.


From the charges, the three white officer were those that arrested Gray. The driver and two officers involved the the transport are black.

Think the charges say Gray was hurt after he got into the van

http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/01/...e-charges/index.html



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Curious, and don't know if anyone has mentioned this, with six separate trials, I wonder if the guilty/innocent verdicts might align by ethnicity.





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